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Postby Coppermine » Thu May 03, 2007 9:49 pm

TheDooner64 wrote:
Morel Orel wrote:Anybody think dropping him for Lincecum is a good idea or should I wait until he goes on the DL...which might be too late.

Here's my current closers:

Saito
Rivera
Wheeler
Owens


Yeh get Lincecum


What's everyone's obsession with having 4 or more closers? I've never won a league with that much cheese... a good starter is far more valuable.

Does that list include Gordon?
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Postby AllStar215 » Thu May 03, 2007 10:13 pm

they said in the news that gordon is out indefinitely.....with an inflamatory rotator's cuff....
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Postby Morel Orel » Thu May 03, 2007 10:16 pm

What's everyone's obsession with having 4 or more closers? I've never won a league with that much cheese... a good starter is far more valuable.

Does that list include Gordon?

No excluding, technically I have 5 closers... I just dropped him (Gordon) for Lincy =)

Now my starters are Webb, Escobar, Shields, Suppan & Lincecum ;-D
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Postby StringerBell » Thu May 03, 2007 10:23 pm

Coppermine wrote:
TheDooner64 wrote:
What's everyone's obsession with having 4 or more closers? I've never won a league with that much cheese... a good starter is far more valuable.


IMHO
Depending on the parameters of your league, having 4 closers can be a very effective strategy.
In a 4X4 league using ERA, WHP Saves and Wins, Quality closers can greatly help you in 3 categories, and also get you the occasional win. Starters will almost never get you a save.
Heck, a guy like K-Rod will even help in Ks in 5X5 leagues.
Its a lot easier to dominate in Saves , ERA and WHP , than WINS ERA and WHP because of the smaller number of innings. You can use cheaper SPs on losing teams with good WHP and ERA to make your league minimum IP---then pick up lights out RPs like Neshek,Zumaya, Shields etc. to keep grinding out ERA and WHP for the rest of the year.
Also, after 3 years of fantasy , Ive noticed that WINS are the most unpredictable category. There are only 30 closers in baseball. In a 10 team fantasy league 4 healthy closers will guarantee you near the top in Saves. Meanwhile, eventhe best SPs win total can be totally screwed by their teams Bullpen. It always seems that the WINS category is still up for grabs in September.
Your SPs fantasy value is directly linked to the rest of the Bullpen on his major league team. Closers are always in control of their own destiny.
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Postby RawTalent » Fri May 04, 2007 1:29 pm

StringerBell wrote:
Coppermine wrote:
TheDooner64 wrote:
What's everyone's obsession with having 4 or more closers? I've never won a league with that much cheese... a good starter is far more valuable.


Starters will almost never get you a save.


Is the word "almost" necessary here :-?
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Postby chitownjts » Fri May 04, 2007 1:49 pm

Makes you wonder if Myers move to the bullpen was not because of his performance. I would venture to guess that Gordon's shoulder has been bad all year and Myers was the best candidate for the closer job.

Noone in their BP is closer worthy IMHO. May have been a good move after all.
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Postby AwalKB » Fri May 04, 2007 2:54 pm

RawTalent wrote:
StringerBell wrote:
Coppermine wrote:
TheDooner64 wrote:
What's everyone's obsession with having 4 or more closers? I've never won a league with that much cheese... a good starter is far more valuable.


Starters will almost never get you a save.


Is the word "almost" necessary here :-?


well I drafted Myers as a starter and he got a save... ;-) btw, I can only pray what you are saying is true because then I would reap in benefits as I actually have a closer or two now (because Wickman got hurt to!)
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Postby StringerBell » Fri May 04, 2007 4:09 pm

RawTalent wrote:
StringerBell wrote:
Coppermine wrote:
TheDooner64 wrote:
What's everyone's obsession with having 4 or more closers? I've never won a league with that much cheese... a good starter is far more valuable.


Starters will almost never get you a save.


Is the word "almost" necessary here :-?


No---not really---but I`m sure somebody would pull some obscure historical situation out and prove me Technically wrong. Joe Torre has already used Petitte TWICE this year in relief roles, so I`m just one of those guys who says "Never say Never, Never say Always".
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Postby rainman23 » Fri May 04, 2007 4:59 pm

Coppermine wrote:What's everyone's obsession with having 4 or more closers? I've never won a league with that much cheese... a good starter is far more valuable.


If you're playing in a 12 team league, then if you've got three closers you're pretty much average. If you don't think that having four closers makes sense, then you must invest hefty draft picks every year in the guys that you do carry. Or you don't do well in Saves.

It's not an either/or -- you keep a lean offensive bench and you can carry plenty of quality starters and four or five closers.
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Postby x_Momentum » Sat May 05, 2007 3:21 pm

how long is someone out on average with an imflammated rotater cuff?
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