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Postby jdsun1 » Sun Apr 29, 2007 10:16 pm

ownthecourt47 wrote:you should have listened
http://www.fantasybaseballcafe.com/foru ... p?t=217724 !+)


Wasn't Ryan Howard ranked 4th in o-rank this year?
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Postby blast00 » Mon Apr 30, 2007 11:09 am

can anyone give their reasoning as to why they believe Soriano is toast now??

btw- still, what is WHIR
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Postby SniperShot » Mon Apr 30, 2007 11:25 am

blast00 wrote:can anyone give their reasoning as to why they believe Soriano is toast now??

btw- still, what is WHIR
He's playin ga different position and the Cubbies are gonna start sucking bigtime as the season goes on! Drop Soriano now, he's a wasted roster spot! Oh wait, if you play in a yahoo league you might have to wait a bit, but I'm sure they will make him dropable soon enough... :-b

WHIR is: will help in response
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Postby rib217 » Mon Apr 30, 2007 11:29 am

i don't think you can use the Cubs as a reason for him to be toast as he played for the NATIONALS last year.
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Postby SniperShot » Mon Apr 30, 2007 11:32 am

rib217 wrote:i don't think you can use the Cubs as a reason for him to be toast as he played for the NATIONALS last year.
Just one of a verity of reasons.

But I was joking anyway. He's had a subpar month, big deal. People get worried way too fast around here when their star players don't start the season like A-Rod.
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Postby Ender » Mon Apr 30, 2007 12:01 pm

My money says he outearns ARod from May on.
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Postby Omaha Red Sox » Mon Apr 30, 2007 2:33 pm

SniperShot wrote:
blast00 wrote:can anyone give their reasoning as to why they believe Soriano is toast now??

btw- still, what is WHIR
He's playin ga different position and the Cubbies are gonna start sucking bigtime as the season goes on! Drop Soriano now, he's a wasted roster spot! Oh wait, if you play in a yahoo league you might have to wait a bit, but I'm sure they will make him dropable soon enough... :-b

WHIR is: will help in response


Will Help In Return. }:-) :-B

Soriano's been very frustrating to me as well, but I have yet to hear a good argument supporting a bad 2007. The Cubs may be the Cubs, but the team has great offensive talent. He'll be fine. Better than fine. And I'll put my money where Ender is putting his too.
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Postby hot4tx » Mon Apr 30, 2007 2:58 pm

I definitely expected a regression this year from last year. Maybe not 2005 bad, but probably somewhere in between. But maybe 2005 bad.

It just seems that after most guys sign that big contract they either try too hard to earn their money or get a little lazy and content. Either way they don't preform as well that first year in particular.

Another reason is he reminds me a lot of C Beltran. Both are very good power/speed guys but neither hits for a good average. A lot of people talk about power hitters with a good average being more consistent in their production on a week to week basis (as it matters in HTH). Maybe these Beltran/Soriano types are so incosistent that it affects them year to year? Maybe it always will? If so I see no reason to take Soriano's best year and project off of that. The very slow start and the hammy bother me even more.

That said, he's not trash and he's not rubbish. I think he'll come back and produce a 30-30, and maybe be worth an early 2nd-round pick this year. But I've never though he was a top-5 pick.
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Postby Laean » Mon Apr 30, 2007 3:30 pm

hot4tx wrote:I definitely expected a regression this year from last year. Maybe not 2005 bad, but probably somewhere in between. But maybe 2005 bad.

It just seems that after most guys sign that big contract they either try too hard to earn their money or get a little lazy and content. Either way they don't preform as well that first year in particular.

Another reason is he reminds me a lot of C Beltran. Both are very good power/speed guys but neither hits for a good average. A lot of people talk about power hitters with a good average being more consistent in their production on a week to week basis (as it matters in HTH). Maybe these Beltran/Soriano types are so incosistent that it affects them year to year? Maybe it always will? If so I see no reason to take Soriano's best year and project off of that. The very slow start and the hammy bother me even more.

That said, he's not trash and he's not rubbish. I think he'll come back and produce a 30-30, and maybe be worth an early 2nd-round pick this year. But I've never though he was a top-5 pick.


good post.
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Postby GotowarMissAgnes » Mon Apr 30, 2007 5:02 pm

blast00 wrote:can anyone give their reasoning as to why they believe Soriano is toast now??

btw- still, what is WHIR


I am somewhat joking in my response, given that I predicted an awful 2006 for Soriano and took a lot of well-deserved heat for that bad prediction, but I think the points I made at the beginning of 2006 are still reasonable:

Until 2006, Soriano had shown a steady downward trend in BA and OPS, without any significant improvement in patience. This occurred despite moving to good hitter's park during that time period, suggesting the actual decline in performance was even steeper than the one shown by the numbers. Furthermore, after age 30, speed starts to decline dramatically, which would further reduce Soriano's value.

So, I still think you can make a legit case that Soriano's age 30+ seasons could be a real disappointment, with a low average and less power coupled with a significant decline in SBs to boot. Couple that with a move to the OF, rather than playing him at 2B and that's the reason for the toast comment.
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