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Postby MissingOakley » Sat Apr 28, 2007 11:25 pm

Is it possible to justify owning the pure SB-specialists in leagues that count OPS? Guys like Figgins, Podsednik, and Pierre help in SB, runs, and (sometimes) average, but adding a third category that they suck in -- OPS -- to the negative impact they put on HR and RBI really drains their value. It's hard to cover up for a player's worthlessness in those three out of the six categories and still compete in them.

Do those of you in OPS leagues still consider guys like Pierre valuable, or is it better to concede steals and bolster the other, correlated hitting categories?
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Postby River Rat » Sat Apr 28, 2007 11:47 pm

In an OPS league I only go after 20/20 players... It is as simple as that... In fact go after several 20/20 guys and you have yourself quite a diverse lineup that can win OPS and SB in any given weekly matchup.

No SB specialists will find themselves on my roster.... Not even if it was a buy low oppurtunity... We are talking the kind of buy low that means they are sitting out there on the Waiver Wire... Only then would I consider using them, but it might only be a temporary acquisition to try and win that particular HtH matchup.
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Postby Niffoc4 » Sat Apr 28, 2007 11:55 pm

I have tended to go for more balanced players as well, but following that route my first couple of years in a keeper league I decided to try something different this year... because I realized that my lack of SB's was costing me a lot of points. That's the thing about 20/20 guys... in a deeper league there aren't very many of them out there. Once you include OPS how many guys truly contribute in every category? A-Rod, Crawford, Abreu, J. Reyes, Bay, C. Guillen, most of these guys are early round picks, making it hard to fill your lineup with enough of them... unless you get Reyes or Abreu...
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Postby roninmedia » Sun Apr 29, 2007 12:02 am

River Rat wrote:In an OPS league I only go after 20/20 players... It is as simple as that... In fact go after several 20/20 guys and you have yourself quite a diverse lineup that can win OPS and SB in any given weekly matchup.

No SB specialists will find themselves on my roster.... Not even if it was a buy low oppurtunity... We are talking the kind of buy low that means they are sitting out there on the Waiver Wire... Only then would I consider using them, but it might only be a temporary acquisition to try and win that particular HtH matchup.


I agree with the assessment. I'm loaded with power and first in AVG, R, RBI, OPS and 2nd in SB and 3rd in HR. In fact, I have zero guys who got more than 20 steals last season but there are 3 guys who could get more than 20 steals and then should hit over 20 HRs this season. The other guys on my team chip in anywhere from 5-15 stolen bases. It should keep me competitive in the middle packs and not kill my power numbers.
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Postby pokerplaya » Sun Apr 29, 2007 12:07 am

I play in exactly this kind of setup in my main keeper league.

It is in its 5th year, and I have had Figgins on my team for a few years running - up until this spring. I traded him this spring after I started to closely analyze the negative impact he was having on stats like HR's RBI's and OPS.

I think it is okay to have one of these types of player in a league with OPS, but I think their value lies mainly as a bench player - I'm talking about drafting a Taveras type in the later rounds to help you overcome a deficit later in a H2H matchup.

No sooner did I trade Figgins (who was a FA pickup a few years back) that I plucked another player who projects to be this type of player - BJ Upton. I'm hoping he has a little pop - so he could potentially be a 15/40 type of player who won't kill you in any one category like Figgins tends to do.

Balance is key - but it's not always possible. But I do agree that in leagues with OPS, you have to pick your spots with the 1 dimensional players.
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Postby CBMGreatOne » Sun Apr 29, 2007 12:10 am

Yeah, I'm in a 6x6 league with OPS too and while you shouldn't steer totally clear of base-stealing specialists, you do need to be aware of their impact on your roster.

I think if I am going to own a SB specialist in an OPS league, I'm going to look for the ones that aren't drastically below par for their position.

2B isn't exactly saturated with good OPS talent. The difference between Chone Figgins's 700ish OPS and the average starting fantasy second baseman probably won't be as severe as Juan Pierre's 700ish OPS when compared to other OFs.

All in all, it's just one more category to balance. If you are strong in OPS in every other roster position, one guy with a .700 OPS isn't going to totally break you.

I like what someone else said about the 20/20 guys. I drafted ARod, Grady, D. Lee with my first three picks, so I made sure to do the best that I could to get legit 6 cat guys to build around. That's probably the best way to go about it, but then again, last year I won the same 6x6 league with Juan Pierre in my OF, so there is still more than one way to skin a cat.
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Postby Gwyddbwyll » Sun Apr 29, 2007 4:43 am

I have Dave Roberts on my bench (16 team H2H daily). I start him at the beginning of the week (checking the matchups first to see that he plays) and get a couple SB out of him which usually gives me a 2-0, 3-1, 4-1 lead then bench him for a power hitter if I need one in the other cats. With Hafner, Dunn, Tex, Sheffield, Glaus, Hamilton, C Jones I have plenty.

It's not worked out too well so far mainly because of Tex and Sheffield starting so cold and Glaus landing on DL. But with just half of them, I've still been competitive power wise and won SB 3/4 weeks - the only week I lost that was 6-5 against Reyes' owner.

I guess the conclusion is that it should be okay if you have significantly more power guys than your opponents to compensate.
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Postby MissingOakley » Sun Apr 29, 2007 11:01 am

Makes sense... there seems to be some consensus here that, in roto leagues, it's far better to spread steals around so as not to take the hit in the slugging categories.

Sounds like something you really have to plan around ahead of time in the draft. It's hard to reconstruct a team full of 10-20 SB guys at this point.

OF SB-specialists, then, would seem to be overvalued. I wonder why their average draft positions are so high?
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Postby Gwyddbwyll » Sun Apr 29, 2007 11:12 am

Its pretty hard to draft lots of 10-20 SB guys too.

Guys like Figgins and Pierre are drafted pretty high but there are lots of waiver wire guys available - Victorino, Dave Roberts, Taveras are good options.
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Re: Owning SB-specialists in OPS leagues

Postby JackStraw » Sat May 05, 2007 4:45 am

MissingOakley wrote:Is it possible to justify owning the pure SB-specialists in leagues that count OPS? Guys like Figgins, Podsednik, and Pierre help in SB, runs, and (sometimes) average, but adding a third category that they suck in -- OPS -- to the negative impact they put on HR and RBI really drains their value. It's hard to cover up for a player's worthlessness in those three out of the six categories and still compete in them.

Do those of you in OPS leagues still consider guys like Pierre valuable, or is it better to concede steals and bolster the other, correlated hitting categories?

I think this true, the SB specialists are fairly useless in OPS leagues. Also guys with low average but high OPS like Dunn are a lot more useful in an OPS league.
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