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Postby Dugout » Mon Jan 12, 2004 1:11 am

Any insite on how this career 5.00 era, 1.5 whip and 5.2 SO/9 32 year old turned superman with a 2.91 era, 1.11 whip and 8.2 SO/9?

No way he duplicates last year but do you see him coming close? Most of the mocks I've seen don't believe he'll do it again since he's not being drafted until rounds 10-15.

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Re: Esteban Loaiza

Postby wrveres » Mon Jan 12, 2004 1:18 am

Dugout wrote:No way he duplicates last year but do you see him coming close? Most of the mocks I've seen don't believe he'll do it again since he's not being drafted until rounds 10-15.

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Postby TheYanks04 » Mon Jan 12, 2004 1:38 am

No idea and anyone who says they are confident in him is lieing.
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Postby Madison » Mon Jan 12, 2004 3:16 am

He sold his soul to the devil. Lol. :-D

I've said it for a couple of months now, 4+ era and 12 wins.

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Postby j7 » Mon Jan 12, 2004 3:54 am

Madison wrote:He sold his soul to the devil. Lol. :-D

I've said it for a couple of months now, 4+ era and 12 wins.

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i was just thinking the same thing! Esteban made a deal at the crossroads ..

i wouldn't draft him too early, but if he's still around close to the last round, i'd probly take a shot
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Postby ramble2 » Mon Jan 12, 2004 4:12 am

I'm with Mad on this one.

I'd be surprised if his performance in 2004 justifies anything earlier than the 10th round - and probably 15th round. Odds are also that he'll be long gone by the time he'd be worth taking in any draft.

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Postby swingaway » Mon Jan 12, 2004 5:23 am

ramble2 wrote:I'm with Mad on this one.

I'd be surprised if his performance in 2004 justifies anything earlier than the 10th round - and probably 15th round. Odds are also that he'll be long gone by the time he'd be worth taking in any draft.

Strike him off the depth chart.

i agree he should bust this year he may get off to a hot start but he will fade away during the season.
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Postby kentx12 » Mon Jan 12, 2004 7:49 am

Let someone else take him. Stay away. ;-D
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Postby trevisc » Mon Jan 12, 2004 8:39 am

I still don't understand how he pulled it off last year either. I'm not so hard on him though..

He could put up decent numbers:

3.80
15 wins
180ks

i'll be putting him right in the same area as Contreras in my draft list
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Re: Esteban Loaiza

Postby Sticky Spice » Mon Jan 12, 2004 8:51 am

Dugout wrote:Any insite on how this career 5.00 era, 1.5 whip and 5.2 SO/9 32 year old turned superman with a 2.91 era, 1.11 whip and 8.2 SO/9?

No way he duplicates last year but do you see him coming close? Most of the mocks I've seen don't believe he'll do it again since he's not being drafted until rounds 10-15.

Oh yeah, great forum!


I think the word was that he had developed a new pitch that was not necessarily an out pitch, but was keeping the hitters off-balance. You would think that if hitters would have caught on to it they would have done it in the second half of last season, so there's a chance he could be on to something. It's also possible that he's to the point in his career where he just gets it - the mental part of pitching. It's happened before....

There are tons of owners out there like me that have him super cheap. The trick is that while we have him at a bargain price, we are pretty much stuck with him unless we settle for less than what his probable worth would be because most owners (see above) heavily discount his good season last year and point to his career numbers. Fair enough. We'll just have to hope he's not one of those one-year John Burkett ressurection wonders.

I see him as not coming close to last year's numbers, but being a solid middle-of-the-road starter. If he can take advantage of that weak division he's in I suppose he could come close to last year's numbers.
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