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Postby Yoda » Thu Apr 26, 2007 12:35 pm

savvy_stu wrote:
great gretzky wrote:"paying someone to be the closer" is the dumbest argument. A) it doesn't matter. You are paying him either way, so its the worst sunk cost thinking to stick with him if there is a better solution. B)Presumably, they are also paying Myers to be a starter...


I couldn't agree with you more here. How much money is Myers making right now? It has to be more than Gordon.


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Postby Snakes Gould » Thu Apr 26, 2007 1:50 pm

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SirDunkALot wrote:Surprisingly, the Phillies are winning ball games with this solution.



this "solution" has had absolutely no effect on the phillies winning games. its like like brett myers has won any games for us because of this move. sure lieber is pitching good, but he could have done that with myers in the rotation.


Correct.


That's impossible. For every action there is an equal reaction. Whether it's a lack of and a substitute, or Myers presence during a different part of the game, something has changed and is affecting the Phillies results. Considering Myers ERA before the switch, it's entirely possible they prevented runs from being scored on them by using him differently. There are also different metal effects on individual players, specifically starting pitchers, which could be at play as well.


thanks for the spelling lesson for starters :-b

anyhow, sure myers era was high, but it was over 3-4 starts. its not like it was the whole course of the season. he didnt even pitch that badly. if ANYTHING, i would say charlie manuel's blowup at howard eskin has more AFFECT on the team than this move has. The phillies were underachieving during this early part of the season and now are just playing like they were supposed to before. AND its not like they're spanking the mets and cardinals. they have 5 wins, but they beat the nationals, reds, and one game vs the astros.
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Postby Bogey9906 » Thu Apr 26, 2007 1:53 pm

Chrisy Moltisanti wrote:
That's impossible. For every action there is an equal reaction. Whether it's a lack of and a substitute, or Myers presence during a different part of the game, something has changed and is affecting the Phillies results. Considering Myers ERA before the switch, it's entirely possible they prevented runs from being scored on them by using him differently. There are also different metal effects on individual players, specifically starting pitchers, which could be at play as well.


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Postby CBMGreatOne » Thu Apr 26, 2007 1:55 pm

i would say charlie manuel's blowup at howard eskin has more AFFECT on the team than this move has.


Lol, this time it was Effect.
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Postby Yoda » Thu Apr 26, 2007 2:43 pm

Snakes Gould wrote:
Chrisy Moltisanti wrote:
RynMan wrote:
Snakes Gould wrote:
SirDunkALot wrote:Surprisingly, the Phillies are winning ball games with this solution.



this "solution" has had absolutely no effect on the phillies winning games. its like like brett myers has won any games for us because of this move. sure lieber is pitching good, but he could have done that with myers in the rotation.


Correct.


That's impossible. For every action there is an equal reaction. Whether it's a lack of and a substitute, or Myers presence during a different part of the game, something has changed and is affecting the Phillies results. Considering Myers ERA before the switch, it's entirely possible they prevented runs from being scored on them by using him differently. There are also different metal effects on individual players, specifically starting pitchers, which could be at play as well.


thanks for the spelling lesson for starters :-b

anyhow, sure myers era was high, but it was over 3-4 starts. its not like it was the whole course of the season. he didnt even pitch that badly. if ANYTHING, i would say charlie manuel's blowup at howard eskin has more AFFECT on the team than this move has. The phillies were underachieving during this early part of the season and now are just playing like they were supposed to before. AND its not like they're spanking the mets and cardinals. they have 5 wins, but they beat the nationals, reds, and one game vs the astros.


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Postby Snakes Gould » Thu Apr 26, 2007 2:50 pm

CBMGreatOne wrote:
i would say charlie manuel's blowup at howard eskin has more AFFECT on the team than this move has.


Lol, this time it was Effect.


haha i knew it too !+)
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Postby jake_twothousandfive » Thu Apr 26, 2007 2:57 pm

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Perhaps other teams should throw one of their best pitchers into MR and see if it gives them the same magic as the Phillies?



The Twins have lost 4 in a row... time to throw Santana into the bullpen ;-D

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Postby Snakes Gould » Thu Apr 26, 2007 3:04 pm

jake_twothousandfive wrote:
Amazing Oopah wrote:
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Perhaps other teams should throw one of their best pitchers into MR and see if it gives them the same magic as the Phillies?



The Twins have lost 4 in a row... time to throw Santana into the bullpen ;-D

:-P :-P


yeah and if they won their next two games, that would definitely be the reason why they started winning, right?
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Postby shasty mcnasty » Thu Apr 26, 2007 3:08 pm

Snakes Gould wrote:
jake_twothousandfive wrote:
Amazing Oopah wrote:
SirDunkALot wrote:
Perhaps other teams should throw one of their best pitchers into MR and see if it gives them the same magic as the Phillies?



The Twins have lost 4 in a row... time to throw Santana into the bullpen ;-D

:-P :-P


yeah and if they won their next two games, that would definitely be the reason why they started winning, right?


exactly. i can't see how this move in particular can be credited for the phillies winning a couple games...there are so many variables...and if this was some kind of winning strategy, i'm pretty sure charlie manuel wouldn't have been the 1st to stumble upon it... :-b
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Postby Chrisy Moltisanti » Thu Apr 26, 2007 3:11 pm

Snakes Gould wrote:
Chrisy Moltisanti wrote:
RynMan wrote:
Snakes Gould wrote:
SirDunkALot wrote:Surprisingly, the Phillies are winning ball games with this solution.



this "solution" has had absolutely no effect on the phillies winning games. its like like brett myers has won any games for us because of this move. sure lieber is pitching good, but he could have done that with myers in the rotation.


Correct.


That's impossible. For every action there is an equal reaction. Whether it's a lack of and a substitute, or Myers presence during a different part of the game, something has changed and is affecting the Phillies results. Considering Myers ERA before the switch, it's entirely possible they prevented runs from being scored on them by using him differently. There are also different metal effects on individual players, specifically starting pitchers, which could be at play as well.


thanks for the spelling lesson for starters :-b

anyhow, sure myers era was high, but it was over 3-4 starts. its not like it was the whole course of the season. he didnt even pitch that badly. if ANYTHING, i would say charlie manuel's blowup at howard eskin has more AFFECT on the team than this move has. The phillies were underachieving during this early part of the season and now are just playing like they were supposed to before. AND its not like they're spanking the mets and cardinals. they have 5 wins, but they beat the nationals, reds, and one game vs the astros.


Oh I just wanted to make the point that I wasn't asserting a direct correlation.

Remember part of this move likely had to do with an problem in Myers windup. He has since said it's fixed and he's done fine as a reliever, so I assume putting him back in the rotation is a good idea, but Myers has stated he wants to stay in the pen. Since the move is already made there is a good chance leaving things as they are is best.
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