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Postby stumpak » Wed Apr 25, 2007 3:51 pm

byfrcp wrote:
WhiteHot wrote:I wouldn't touch this guy in a deep NL-East only league.


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That's called hyperbole, and it is really not far off the mark. If like guys who will hit .260 with 15 HRs and paltry R and RBIs because they suck and hit at the bottom of the line-up, but all means pick up Green. By there are 15 other guys just like this riding the waiver wire even in deep leagues. Even the average injury fill in does better than this.
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Postby janssenlbd » Wed Apr 25, 2007 3:52 pm

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Ender wrote:He's a very established guy, hard to get too excited about it. He's having a hot streak so if you own him ride it while you can and if you find someone to sell high to go for it.


....nothing more needs to be said!


actually, i think there's quite a bit to be said. here's a guy that, beginning in 2003, just fell out of the top-tier outfielders. this hot streak has effectively earned him a starting spot in a loaded line-up and on a big stage.

is this an exceptionally motivational context for him? i would just think we'd be a little more geeked about this type of production from mixed-league waiver fodder.

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Even if he is in a loaded line-up, he is hitting 7th in that loaded line-up. His power is a shell of what it was in 2003/2004 (when he had already fallen off). Honestly, if he gets 550 AB's, maybe he'll get 20hr 75 rbi, hit .280...... is that enough to warrant a roster spot in a 12 team mixed-league?
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Postby J35J » Wed Apr 25, 2007 3:56 pm

He's a 34 year old guy in a pitchers park who hasn't seen a good season (for an OFer) since '02. He is what he is at this point, IMO, ride the hot streak and see if you can't trade while his stock is high then move on!
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Postby josebach » Wed Apr 25, 2007 3:57 pm

All you have to do is look at last year's numbers:
In 530 ABs:
73/15/66/4/.277 BA

He was the 29th ranked 1B and 63rd ranked OF.

Granted, he'll have better numbers than last in a full season in the Mets lineup, but they won't be good enough to warrant starting him in any but the deepest leagues.
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Postby hot4tx » Wed Apr 25, 2007 3:57 pm

He's also historically a extremely streaky hitter. Was it 2003 when he opened the season ridiculously and hit like 4 HR in 1 game? Everyone went gaga and then he went back to normal Green. When he gets on a 2-week hot streak in the middle of the season he's a moderate pickup. No need to proclaim him a stud just because it's happening early in the year.

Ride him as long as you can/want to and if I were in a deep NL-only league he'd already be picked up... but he's 35, has a .283 career batting average, and hasn't been a very fantasy-usable in 5 years.

His .340+ average and all the stats going with us are very, very unlikely to last.
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Postby WhiteHot » Wed Apr 25, 2007 4:03 pm

If you're forced to start Shawn Green, you must've been heavily intoxicated or not present at your draft. Another possibility is that you're a time traveler from 2002.
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Postby teddy ballgame » Wed Apr 25, 2007 4:07 pm

WhiteHot wrote:If you're forced to start Shawn Green, you must've been heavily intoxicated or not present at your draft. Another possibility is that you're a time traveler from 2002.

He's hitting .342. He may not be a long term answer but how is that not a decent pickup to ride a hot streak? Do you have any numbers to support your case or are you going to keep making comments like those that prove nothing?
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Postby janssenlbd » Wed Apr 25, 2007 4:08 pm

WhiteHot wrote:If you're forced to start Shawn Green, you must've been heavily intoxicated or not present at your draft. Another possibility is that you're a time traveler from 2002.


i found the time traveler from 2002 remark unexpected and quite humorous ;-)
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Postby josebach » Wed Apr 25, 2007 4:23 pm

WhiteHot wrote:If you're forced to start Shawn Green, you must've been heavily intoxicated or not present at your draft. Another possibility is that you're a time traveler from 2002.

Or both...

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Postby Coppermine » Wed Apr 25, 2007 4:27 pm

josebach wrote:
WhiteHot wrote:If you're forced to start Shawn Green, you must've been heavily intoxicated or not present at your draft. Another possibility is that you're a time traveler from 2002.

Or both...

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