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Postby Half Massed » Mon Apr 23, 2007 5:04 pm

Over-reaction or justified?

BOSTON - An adjunct professor was fired after leading a classroom discussion about the Virginia Tech shootings in which he pointed a marker at some students and said "pow."

The five-minute demonstration at Emmanuel College on Wednesday, two days after a student killed 32 people on the Virginia Tech campus, included a discussion of gun control, whether to respond to violence with violence, and the public's "celebration of victimhood," said the professor, Nicholas Winset.

During the demonstration, Winset pretended to shoot some students. Then one student pretended to shoot Winset to illustrate his point that the gunman might have been stopped had another student or faculty member been armed.

"A classroom is supposed to be a place for academic exploration," Winset, who taught financial accounting, told the Boston Herald.

He said administrators had asked the faculty to engage students on the issue. But on Friday, he got a letter saying he was fired and ordering him to stay off campus.

Winset, 37, argued that the Catholic liberal arts school was stifling free discussion by firing him, and he said the move would have a "chilling effect" on open debate. He posted an 18-minute video on the online site YouTube defending his action.

The college issued a statement saying: "Emmanuel College has clear standards of classroom and campus conduct, and does not in any way condone the use of discriminatory or obscene language."

Student Junny Lee, 19, told The Boston Globe that most students didn't appear to find Winset's demonstration offensive.
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Re: College Professor Fired over Va. Tech/Gun Control

Postby Art Vandelay » Mon Apr 23, 2007 5:11 pm

Half Massed wrote:Over-reaction or justified?

BOSTON - An adjunct professor was fired after leading a classroom discussion about the Virginia Tech shootings in which he pointed a marker at some students and said "pow."

The five-minute demonstration at Emmanuel College on Wednesday, two days after a student killed 32 people on the Virginia Tech campus, included a discussion of gun control, whether to respond to violence with violence, and the public's "celebration of victimhood," said the professor, Nicholas Winset.

During the demonstration, Winset pretended to shoot some students. Then one student pretended to shoot Winset to illustrate his point that the gunman might have been stopped had another student or faculty member been armed.

"A classroom is supposed to be a place for academic exploration," Winset, who taught financial accounting, told the Boston Herald.

He said administrators had asked the faculty to engage students on the issue. But on Friday, he got a letter saying he was fired and ordering him to stay off campus.

Winset, 37, argued that the Catholic liberal arts school was stifling free discussion by firing him, and he said the move would have a "chilling effect" on open debate. He posted an 18-minute video on the online site YouTube defending his action.

The college issued a statement saying: "Emmanuel College has clear standards of classroom and campus conduct, and does not in any way condone the use of discriminatory or obscene language."

Student Junny Lee, 19, told The Boston Globe that most students didn't appear to find Winset's demonstration offensive.


I have no problem with the discussion or the teacher "shooting" students with a marker. But in an accounting class?
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Postby chadlincoln » Mon Apr 23, 2007 5:22 pm

Pointing the marker is a little too soon if it should ever be done. Why not start filming a movie?
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Re: College Professor Fired over Va. Tech/Gun Control

Postby The Artful Dodger » Mon Apr 23, 2007 5:23 pm

Art Vandelay wrote:
Half Massed wrote:Over-reaction or justified?

BOSTON - An adjunct professor was fired after leading a classroom discussion about the Virginia Tech shootings in which he pointed a marker at some students and said "pow."

The five-minute demonstration at Emmanuel College on Wednesday, two days after a student killed 32 people on the Virginia Tech campus, included a discussion of gun control, whether to respond to violence with violence, and the public's "celebration of victimhood," said the professor, Nicholas Winset.

During the demonstration, Winset pretended to shoot some students. Then one student pretended to shoot Winset to illustrate his point that the gunman might have been stopped had another student or faculty member been armed.

"A classroom is supposed to be a place for academic exploration," Winset, who taught financial accounting, told the Boston Herald.

He said administrators had asked the faculty to engage students on the issue. But on Friday, he got a letter saying he was fired and ordering him to stay off campus.

Winset, 37, argued that the Catholic liberal arts school was stifling free discussion by firing him, and he said the move would have a "chilling effect" on open debate. He posted an 18-minute video on the online site YouTube defending his action.

The college issued a statement saying: "Emmanuel College has clear standards of classroom and campus conduct, and does not in any way condone the use of discriminatory or obscene language."

Student Junny Lee, 19, told The Boston Globe that most students didn't appear to find Winset's demonstration offensive.


I have no problem with the discussion or the teacher "shooting" students with a marker. But in an accounting class?


That's really quite odd why something like this would be discussed in an accounting class. I think something like this would've been OK in say, junior high or high school, but at the college level, I take it the professor basically threw away a lecture and went off syllabus here. I have no problems with the discussion itself either, but it seems like a waste of time and money for his students just to chat about this for a good share of the given class time.
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Re: College Professor Fired over Va. Tech/Gun Control

Postby Half Massed » Mon Apr 23, 2007 5:31 pm

Art Vandelay wrote:
Half Massed wrote:Over-reaction or justified?

BOSTON - An adjunct professor was fired after leading a classroom discussion about the Virginia Tech shootings in which he pointed a marker at some students and said "pow."

The five-minute demonstration at Emmanuel College on Wednesday, two days after a student killed 32 people on the Virginia Tech campus, included a discussion of gun control, whether to respond to violence with violence, and the public's "celebration of victimhood," said the professor, Nicholas Winset.

During the demonstration, Winset pretended to shoot some students. Then one student pretended to shoot Winset to illustrate his point that the gunman might have been stopped had another student or faculty member been armed.

"A classroom is supposed to be a place for academic exploration," Winset, who taught financial accounting, told the Boston Herald.

He said administrators had asked the faculty to engage students on the issue. But on Friday, he got a letter saying he was fired and ordering him to stay off campus.

Winset, 37, argued that the Catholic liberal arts school was stifling free discussion by firing him, and he said the move would have a "chilling effect" on open debate. He posted an 18-minute video on the online site YouTube defending his action.

The college issued a statement saying: "Emmanuel College has clear standards of classroom and campus conduct, and does not in any way condone the use of discriminatory or obscene language."

Student Junny Lee, 19, told The Boston Globe that most students didn't appear to find Winset's demonstration offensive.


I have no problem with the discussion or the teacher "shooting" students with a marker. But in an accounting class?


I thought the same thing, but I just assumed that he was asked to.
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Postby Madison » Mon Apr 23, 2007 5:42 pm

A marker? We are talking college kids that know a marker cannot fire a bullet, right? Gotta be kidding me. Firing him over that is absurd. :-t
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Postby pokeyjoe » Mon Apr 23, 2007 5:50 pm

Madison wrote:A marker? We are talking college kids that know a marker cannot fire a bullet, right? Gotta be kidding me. Firing him over that is absurd. :-t


Agreed, this is just people over reacting after the incident. If the teacher did this in a discussion about Columbine and gun control, he would have not gotten fired because Columbine was several years back. In my opinion, this is a ridiculous move on the school's part.
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Postby Snakes Gould » Mon Apr 23, 2007 6:25 pm

pokeyjoe wrote:
Madison wrote:A marker? We are talking college kids that know a marker cannot fire a bullet, right? Gotta be kidding me. Firing him over that is absurd. :-t


Agreed, this is just people over reacting after the incident. If the teacher did this in a discussion about Columbine and gun control, he would have not gotten fired because Columbine was several years back. In my opinion, this is a ridiculous move on the school's part.


i agree....we talk about a lot of things in all my classes that seem off topic, but it just encourages some critical thinking which is always a good thing if you ask me.
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Re: College Professor Fired over Va. Tech/Gun Control

Postby fezzik » Mon Apr 23, 2007 6:48 pm

Art Vandelay wrote:
Half Massed wrote:Over-reaction or justified?

BOSTON - An adjunct professor was fired after leading a classroom discussion about the Virginia Tech shootings in which he pointed a marker at some students and said "pow."

The five-minute demonstration at Emmanuel College on Wednesday, two days after a student killed 32 people on the Virginia Tech campus, included a discussion of gun control, whether to respond to violence with violence, and the public's "celebration of victimhood," said the professor, Nicholas Winset.

During the demonstration, Winset pretended to shoot some students. Then one student pretended to shoot Winset to illustrate his point that the gunman might have been stopped had another student or faculty member been armed.

"A classroom is supposed to be a place for academic exploration," Winset, who taught financial accounting, told the Boston Herald.

He said administrators had asked the faculty to engage students on the issue. But on Friday, he got a letter saying he was fired and ordering him to stay off campus.

Winset, 37, argued that the Catholic liberal arts school was stifling free discussion by firing him, and he said the move would have a "chilling effect" on open debate. He posted an 18-minute video on the online site YouTube defending his action.

The college issued a statement saying: "Emmanuel College has clear standards of classroom and campus conduct, and does not in any way condone the use of discriminatory or obscene language."

Student Junny Lee, 19, told The Boston Globe that most students didn't appear to find Winset's demonstration offensive.


I have no problem with the discussion or the teacher "shooting" students with a marker. But in an accounting class?


If what he says is true...that they asked him...it seems particularly absurd to fire him. If he's lying about that, then it's still stupid (although I guess he'd be a liar too, so it would make it a little better :-? ;-) ).
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Postby Omaha Red Sox » Mon Apr 23, 2007 6:49 pm

Maybe tactless and insensitive, but not worthy of a canning. Maybe there's more to the story, but from the article we can just assume that it's a huge kneejerk reaction by the school.
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