Nolan Ryan, the easy #1. Pete Rose, the easy #1 for a hitter. Omar Vizquel, the most overrated Gold Glove guy. Jim Rice, the HOF votes he gets, speaks for itself. Derek Jeter, by just about any NYY fan. Reggie Jackson, lives off 3 hr World Series Game.
Current players,
Alphonso Soriano, terrible gove and oba. Chris Young, Petco saves him. Bartolo Colon, makes a 4 era seem elite. Garret Atkins, can't hit away from Coors. Ichiro, no power, and overrated defense. Andy Pettitte, run support, grossly overrated his won-loss record.
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All-time is easily Nolan Ryan. Then come the 1960s pitchers, who had the raised mounds. Bob Gibson is the most overrated of this group. Christy Mathewson was overrated back in the day, but not so much today (100 years will do that). Joe Dimaggio is sometimes overrated. Pete Rose is very overrated. Ernie Banks is also overrated. Roberto Clemente tends to be overrated because he was such a great person.
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I would agree that Nolan Ryan is the most overrated player. Very suprised to see Clemente mentioned as overrated by anyone especially when you look at the career numbers and remember that he had a few productive years left when he died; and, it's not like fans put him in the same catergory as Ruth, Gehrig, Williams, Mays, Aaron, Musial...
Nolan Ryan's a pretty solid pick. People so often remember him for his positive attributes, while completely forgetting that he walked nearly 2,800 batters, almost 1,000 more than the next highest player in baseball history. That's just sick. Don't get me wrong, Ryan was a tremendous player, but not nearly as dominant as most make him out to be. I'll take Tom Seaver over him anytime.
Mark McGwire isn't exactly a popular person in baseball history these days, but the guy was so adored when he played it made me sick. Growing up in the bay area didn't help matter much. People here thought he was Babe Ruth with muscles. Ugh, I can't stand McGwire.
Dr. Duran Duran wrote:Nolan Ryan's a pretty solid pick. People so often remember him for his positive attributes, while completely forgetting that he walked nearly 2,800 batters, almost 1,000 more than the next highest player in baseball history. That's just sick. Don't get me wrong, Ryan was a tremendous player, but not nearly as dominant as most make him out to be. I'll take Tom Seaver over him anytime.
Mark McGwire isn't exactly a popular person in baseball history these days, but the guy was so adored when he played it made me sick. Growing up in the bay area didn't help matter much. People here thought he was Babe Ruth with muscles. Ugh, I can't stand McGwire.
Would the same logic(Nolan Ryan) apply to Brett Favre?
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Dr. Duran Duran wrote:Nolan Ryan's a pretty solid pick. People so often remember him for his positive attributes, while completely forgetting that he walked nearly 2,800 batters, almost 1,000 more than the next highest player in baseball history. That's just sick. Don't get me wrong, Ryan was a tremendous player, but not nearly as dominant as most make him out to be. I'll take Tom Seaver over him anytime.
Mark McGwire isn't exactly a popular person in baseball history these days, but the guy was so adored when he played it made me sick. Growing up in the bay area didn't help matter much. People here thought he was Babe Ruth with muscles. Ugh, I can't stand McGwire.
Would the same logic(Nolan Ryan) apply to Brett Favre?
to me yes, but his legacy just might be tainted considering the eagles dominated him every time they played.
Dr. Duran Duran wrote:Nolan Ryan's a pretty solid pick. People so often remember him for his positive attributes, while completely forgetting that he walked nearly 2,800 batters, almost 1,000 more than the next highest player in baseball history. That's just sick. Don't get me wrong, Ryan was a tremendous player, but not nearly as dominant as most make him out to be. I'll take Tom Seaver over him anytime.
Mark McGwire isn't exactly a popular person in baseball history these days, but the guy was so adored when he played it made me sick. Growing up in the bay area didn't help matter much. People here thought he was Babe Ruth with muscles. Ugh, I can't stand McGwire.
Would the same logic(Nolan Ryan) apply to Brett Favre?
That's a great analogy! Yes, I would absolutely call Brett Favre the Nolan Ryan of football. A hall of fame player but not elite among the elite at his position. Both could dominate a game or lose it with mistakes, they're both known for toughness and longevity and fans generally seem to like those guys so much that they tend to overlook the negatives. Of course, Ryan doesn't seem to cry as much...