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Postby cordscords » Wed Apr 11, 2007 12:08 am

I think Giambi is in for a good season (.270, 35 HR), and Morneau's will be slightly better (.290, 35 HR).

However Morneau is much less of an injury risk, and it this point in their careers, offers much more upside.

I'd say he holds significant value over him.
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Postby jealousblues » Wed Apr 11, 2007 12:31 am

blankman wrote:Giambi's average will kill you. Its getting to be like Dunn.

He walks a lot so he won't have as many official at bats to bring your average down, but he hasn't hit for average in years.



so draft him in leagues that have an OBP or better yet OPS and that avg isnt so bad ;-)

this is a question Ive been wondering too!
I couldnt understand why Giambi would be reguarded so much worse than Morneau ...
because it never occured to be other leagues used BA!

Plus I worried about the consistancy of Morneau (not performance so far, but just because of years-its probibly silly)
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Postby 05worldserieschamps » Wed Apr 11, 2007 10:09 am

A 40-50 point BA difference is huge as is the fact that Giambi sits a number of games throughout the year which further hurts his value.


Also, don't expect Morneau to hit .321 again. He isn't an "average-type" hitter.

Furthermore, I wouldn't expect Morneau to get anywhere near 130 RBI again. He only hit .322 with RISP last year, only .001 point above his AVG. And, I expect a slight regression in Mauer's AVG, no way he gets back to .340, maybe .330, which means less people on base for Morneau.

Morneau 2007:

38 HR, 108 RBI, .302 AVG
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Postby AcidRock23 » Wed Apr 11, 2007 10:39 am

I would think that Morneau's age actually gives him some upside that Giambi doesn't have. Morneau could actually improve. :-?
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Postby blankman » Wed Apr 11, 2007 11:23 am

jealousblues wrote:
blankman wrote:Giambi's average will kill you. Its getting to be like Dunn.

He walks a lot so he won't have as many official at bats to bring your average down, but he hasn't hit for average in years.



so draft him in leagues that have an OBP or better yet OPS and that avg isnt so bad ;-)

this is a question Ive been wondering too!
I couldnt understand why Giambi would be reguarded so much worse than Morneau ...
because it never occured to be other leagues used BA!

Plus I worried about the consistancy of Morneau (not performance so far, but just because of years-its probibly silly)


I spoke of BA, because the majority of leagues use it. Obviously if you're in an OBP league, Giambi is a much better player than in 5x5
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Postby hot4tx » Wed Apr 11, 2007 11:59 am

I don't expect Morneau to hit .320 again, but I think the guys saying he'll hit .270 are being way pessimistic.

If he hits .300 he'll still drive in over 110 RBI easily and should be close to 100 runs again.

Giambi's hit .270 once since 2002 (.271 in 2005) so saying he'll definitely hit .270 is probably a little optimistic. I'd predict about a .265 average for him with over 100 rbi and close to 100 runs.

So you'd get 35 points or so higher BA and 10-15 more RBI. That's the difference from Morneau to Giambi.

Similar differences as between M Holliday and A Dunn or Pujols and Berkman or Teixiera.
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