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Postby Yoda » Mon Apr 09, 2007 9:31 pm

How are these guys so good? They seem to always find ways to win. How can an organization with their payroll be better than most teams?
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Postby fbc_fan » Mon Apr 09, 2007 9:33 pm

because those trades they made in the 05 offseason were pretty shrewd. all the young talent wont be arbitration eligible for another couple of years. it also helps when you only have to pay mcab $400,000 for his services in 06. at least that was his salary if i remember correctly.
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Postby roninmedia » Mon Apr 09, 2007 9:55 pm

Because the Marlins understand the small market mentality. Get good young arms before you worry about hitting. Look at the Devil Rays, they pour all their effort into hitting prospects. That has gotten them nowhere. And in the real MLB, pitchers are more valuable then hitters so they can be key pieces to move.
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Postby Tarheel00 » Mon Apr 09, 2007 9:57 pm

Hanley and A. Sanchez for Beckett and Lowell was a huge trade for them. Twice the talent for half the price.
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Postby TheA'sFatLeadoffMan » Mon Apr 09, 2007 10:03 pm

Miguel Cabrera, it all starts there.
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Postby Tokugawa » Mon Apr 09, 2007 10:39 pm

If you believe the contract year hype, which I don't, then you have a great situation in Florida. A bunch of young guys on the league minimum or close to it, all trying to prove themselves and get their big payday. Furthermore, there's a good team spirit down there, no guy is bigger than the team. I like what the Marlins have done so far.
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Postby Madison » Mon Apr 09, 2007 10:47 pm

Tokugawa wrote:Furthermore, there's a good team spirit down there, no guy is bigger than the team.


That's what I think. Take a bunch of good kids with solid talent, toss them on a team with zero expectations, and see what happens. They're relaxed, they're having fun, and they're helping each other. Really good chemistry there. ;-D

Plus, something that's rarely mentioned, and I really have no clue (so don't kill me if I'm way off base !+) ), but maybe their coaches are that good at molding the talent. Any Marlins fans care to comment on the coaching staff? :-?
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Postby Yoda » Mon Apr 09, 2007 11:02 pm

Oakland does it every year with a much larger budget but they ahven't won yet. I know everyone hates Loria but can you blame him for being cheap? No one goes to the games. I wouldn't want to spend money on a team to lose money. Instead I would build it from nothing every few years and spend the money when you have a chance to win the big one. Does that summarize their overall plan?
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Postby mikhayl » Tue Apr 10, 2007 12:59 am

Yoda wrote:Oakland does it every year with a much larger budget but they ahven't won yet. I know everyone hates Loria but can you blame him for being cheap? No one goes to the games.


Off topic a little bit, but I don't understand the attendance thing at all. Sure it rains a lot, but it's still warm and sunny in Florida most of the time. I'd be at that ballpark watching that great young team 81 times a year. Not to mention that they play in the most exciting NL division.
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Postby Mercer Boy » Tue Apr 10, 2007 4:07 am

roninmedia wrote:Because the Marlins understand the small market mentality. Get good young arms before you worry about hitting. Look at the Devil Rays, they pour all their effort into hitting prospects. That has gotten them nowhere. And in the real MLB, pitchers are more valuable then hitters so they can be key pieces to move.


At the same time, look at the Pirates...they did exactly as you suggested - get young arms before hitters.

The result? They've had 6 first round draft pick pitchers get TJ surgery in the past 10 years. The offense is terrible because they have poor drafts. The pitching outside of Duke and Snell - who was thought to only be good enough to be a RP by Dave Littlefield - is not that good either.

They haven't had a winning season since 1992. In short...it's the life of a Pirates fan. :,-(
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