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by **pkarr5000** » Tue Dec 30, 2003 4:45 pm

why is lofton taking his spot? is his ops that higher than alfonso's? soriano is an ace. he shouldnt be down there, even in the yankees lineup

by **trevisc** » Tue Dec 30, 2003 4:46 pm

that's what I want to know. What makes Lofton such a better leadoff hitter then Soriano? Or even a better CF then Bernie Williams...

by **pkarr5000** » Tue Dec 30, 2003 4:49 pm

id rather have lofton out there than bernie but the thought of replacing soriano with lofton is absurd. put kenny last but let him play cf. bernie is just gonna daydream about doing a duet with celene dion out in center

by **trevisc** » Tue Dec 30, 2003 4:51 pm

pkarr5000 wrote:id rather have lofton out there than bernie but the thought of replacing soriano with lofton is absurd. put kenny last but let him play cf. bernie is just gonna daydream about doing a duet with celene dion out in center

that sounds like the logical choice to me too..but "The Boss" is not logical!

by **mightyian5** » Tue Dec 30, 2003 4:52 pm

soriano wont hit that low. if hes not leading off, itll probably look like
lofton or jeter
giambi
sheff
posada
soriano
williams
matsui
boone

lofton wont sustain the production required to lead off for the yankees so theres also a chance of soriano hitting 2 behind jeter.

by **pkarr5000** » Tue Dec 30, 2003 4:53 pm

maybe things will start to change after that collapse of his

by **DieHardCubbie** » Tue Dec 30, 2003 9:02 pm

bell wrote:But I'm seeing a Yankees lineup along these lines:

1 Lofton (L)
2 Jeter (R)
3 Giambi (L)
4 Sheffield (R)
5 B. Williams (S)
6 Posada (S)
7 Matsui (L)
8 Soriano (R)
9 Boone (R)

I agree with this...I look for Soriano to bat lower in the order...with Lofton in the lineup....

by **Brandaddy** » Tue Dec 30, 2003 9:17 pm

No matter where he hits he is still the best 2B and a first round pick.

by **TheYanks04** » Wed Dec 31, 2003 12:07 am

A few points...

1. No one knows for sure what Torre is going to do with his lineup. But 8th seems the logical place for Soriano. His days as a leadoff man are over. They signed Lofton to be a leadoff man, and that is what he is likely to do. He will be fine so long as he stays healthy. His numbers the past 3 years do not indicate anthing that would dictate a failure offensively. Soriano bats 8th so that he, Boone, Lofton and Jeter can all be bunched together forming a pretty deadly speed foursome.

2. The Juan Samuel comparison wrt Soriano is still relevant and if I owned Soriano in a fantasy league, I would be somewhat concerned. He did well in Sept vs a list of crummy teams with crummy pitching augmented by even crummier Sept callups. Same for Boone. It was no coincidence that as soon as the Yanks started to play TB, Balt, Det in a long stretch that both these K artists came out of their slumps. If/when Soriano's hands and bat speed slow down some, a great dropooff can be expected unless he learns some semblence of discipline. And Soriano makes NO adjustments to his "Approach" which simply put is swing at everything and anything. Something has to give at some point. He either wises up or is going to fall at some point in time.

by **HOOTIE** » Wed Dec 31, 2003 12:09 am

trevisc wrote:
Erboes wrote: I'm not a fan of Lofton, as you can tell.

me either. He really messed over the braves when he rode the pine for 40 games in 97 and only stole 27 bases. Blah

I had this argument in 98 with a Braves fan. Lofton was very good in Atlanta. He lead the team in average 333, and oba 409. SB are overrated. He still lead Braves in steals, and was 2nd in runs.

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