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Postby Erboes » Mon Dec 29, 2003 4:47 pm

Sosa didn't become a good hitter until he learned the strike zone. He was up and down and traded a couple times because of it. He's a prime example of what could happen to Baldelli.

And don't mistake a guy who doesn't take many walks for a player who doesn't know the strike zone. Nomar doesn't chase very many bad pitches. It's just that there aren't too many good pitches that he doesn't like.
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Postby LCBOY » Mon Dec 29, 2003 4:48 pm

kdawg wrote:I'm sure one of them is Soriano.

What you are doing is taking the exception and making it the rule. Just because Soriano overcame his deficiencies does not mean that Baldelli will. It is rare that a player with poor plate discipline doesn't struggle at some point in the majors. Usually they spend a lot of time in the minors because of it if they ever make it at all. Maybe Baldelli is another exception, but I think the odds are heavily against him.


I agree with kdawg. And Soriano hasn't really improved. Here are his walk and strikeout totals in his first three years

2001: 28-125
2002: 23-157
2003: 38-130

I don't see real improvement here. There are some exceptions, Sammy Sosa being one of them. I'm not saying Baldelli can't do it but it is unlikely.
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Postby trevisc » Mon Dec 29, 2003 4:53 pm

why are you guys so down on soriano? A-rod struck out more then him!
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Postby Erboes » Mon Dec 29, 2003 4:55 pm

I am not down on Soriano. Someone used him to defend Baldelli and I just pointed out he was the exception.
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Postby LCBOY » Mon Dec 29, 2003 4:57 pm

Erboes wrote:Sosa didn't become a good hitter until he learned the strike zone. He was up and down and traded a couple times because of it. He's a prime example of what could happen to Baldelli.

And don't mistake a guy who doesn't take many walks for a player who doesn't know the strike zone. Nomar doesn't chase very many bad pitches. It's just that there aren't too many good pitches that he doesn't like.

Baldelli doesn't know that strike zone because he doesn't draw walks AND he strikes out a lot. Nomar is a completely different hitter. Nomar has never struck out over 100 times. Also, Nomar's career OBP is a solid .370 and has won several batting titles. In his best seasn he had a 61-51 Walk to strikeout ratio. Nomar drew more walks than strikeouts. At 128-30 ratio Baldelli has a lot of work to do, don't you think.

Sammy's development was unusual and definitely NOT the norm.
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Postby LCBOY » Mon Dec 29, 2003 5:00 pm

trevisc wrote:why are you guys so down on soriano? A-rod struck out more then him!

I'm not down on Soriano. I look at a hitter's walk-to strikeout ratio as a pretty indicator of future success. Great hitters don't have terrible strikeout-to-walk ratios. I am just a bit leary of Soriano, that's all. :-°
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Postby Madison » Mon Dec 29, 2003 7:33 pm

I'm not a fan of Baldelli for next year. Mark me down for a dropoff.
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Postby HOOTIE » Tue Dec 30, 2003 3:09 am

Cut Rocco a bit of slack, he was 21 last year. For those who say Crawford was better, Crawford's eye rate was .025 to Rocco's .023. No one complained about A Berroas (roy) .029 rate at a much older age. Baldelli needs to someday get up to at least .60, no doubt.
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Postby rjforlife » Tue Dec 30, 2003 8:41 am

i see baldelli and crawford both crumbling due to being overhyped kinda like the type of player they both remind me of.....carlos beltran. with that said, they are both solid players who may also bounce back and become superstars much like carlos has done
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Postby trevisc » Tue Dec 30, 2003 10:25 am

Madison wrote:I'm not a fan of Baldelli for next year. Mark me down for a dropoff.


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