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Postby Omaha Red Sox » Sat Apr 07, 2007 11:29 am

Great story DDD. Unfortunately a lot of these guys may have food written on their sign, but they want money for something else. I make it a point not to give them money, but what they specifically ask for. I've handed a man with a sign a sandwich before and received dirty looks. The other day there was a man with an empty gas can and a sign that read "Need gas. Anything helps." I offered to fill his gas can up for him and he declined saying he just needed some money for the gas. I explained to him that I would just fill the gas can for him, no problem, but he insisted that he didn't want me to do that he just wanted the money, eventually scoffing at me and telling me to leave. It's nice that you were able to help a man hungry for food and not something else.
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Postby emb0lus » Sat Apr 07, 2007 1:32 pm

Omaha Red Sox wrote:Great story DDD. Unfortunately a lot of these guys may have food written on their sign, but they want money for something else. I make it a point not to give them money, but what they specifically ask for. I've handed a man with a sign a sandwich before and received dirty looks. The other day there was a man with an empty gas can and a sign that read "Need gas. Anything helps." I offered to fill his gas can up for him and he declined saying he just needed some money for the gas. I explained to him that I would just fill the gas can for him, no problem, but he insisted that he didn't want me to do that he just wanted the money, eventually scoffing at me and telling me to leave. It's nice that you were able to help a man hungry for food and not something else.


growing up, my dad was always trying to help people out and maybe it isn't surprising, but about half the time, he got responses like this.

great story DDD, great initial post too. Speaking of encouraging stories, the news used to run a story every night about a hometown hero which was usually an upbeat story about someone making a difference in a positive way. I used to just watch that and the weather since everything else was too depressing.
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Postby Coppermine » Sat Apr 07, 2007 1:38 pm

By the way, the author of this article is Roland Martin, a CNN contributor and talk-show host on WVON-AM in Chicago, Illinois. He is the author of "Listening to the Spirit Within: 50 Perspectives on Faith."

On the CNN page where this article first appeared, there are a number of reader feedback comments. I'll share a few:

R. J. Peters, Mena, Arkansas
Roland Martin's attack on Pro-Life Christians was really uncalled for. How can a Christian NOT be concerned while little babies are brutally MURDERED every day by Abortion? Mr. Martin, as long as innocent babies are allowed to be killed, the life issue will be our #1 issue!

B. Olson, Little Falls, Minnesota
This kind of verbal attack against "fellow brothers and sisters in Christ" is really sad. Those who truly love the Lord will devote as much time, energy, money, prayers, and effort to fight for the truth and standards that they believe that God, through the Bible, has commanded. It makes me sick and sad to see Christians who are openly and boldly addressing anti-Christian hot-button topics attacked themselves; being called "narrow minded" or accused of not talking about another moral issue.

Zack Clark, Houston, Texas
The Church has adapted to pop-culture. There is no way to take back faith and return to solid Christian roots, when a large percentage of American Churches have adopted services to imitate a secular society. There is no hope as it stands. Once the Churches became nothing more than entertainment all was lost.

Tim Collins, Cumming, Georgia
I am part of the vast right wing conspiracy that President Clinton and his wife have referred to over the years. I am a born again Southern Baptist Christian. I am on the extreme right side of social issues. My response to this article is AMEN!!!! Great points!!!! I couldn't agree more!!! It's time that everyone throw away their political beliefs and "live their faith."

Derek, Honolulu, Hawaii
I agree that the current "Christian Agenda" is far too narrow and excludes the primary teachings of Jesus. But the solution is not to have a bunch of white preachers sit down with a bunch of black preachers and come up with a unanimous agenda for everyone. That's another step down the road to socialism. The solution lies in individual blacks and whites coming up with what they feel is important on their own, with the help of the New Testament, instead of relying on fake Christians like Jerry Falwell to tell them what to think.
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Postby emb0lus » Sat Apr 07, 2007 1:47 pm

Coppermine wrote:By the way, the author of this article is Roland Martin, a CNN contributor and talk-show host on WVON-AM in Chicago, Illinois. He is the author of "Listening to the Spirit Within: 50 Perspectives on Faith."

On the CNN page where this article first appeared, there are a number of reader feedback comments. I'll share a few:

R. J. Peters, Mena, Arkansas
Roland Martin's attack on Pro-Life Christians was really uncalled for. How can a Christian NOT be concerned while little babies are brutally MURDERED every day by Abortion? Mr. Martin, as long as innocent babies are allowed to be killed, the life issue will be our #1 issue!


Zack Clark, Houston, Texas
The Church has adapted to pop-culture. There is no way to take back faith and return to solid Christian roots, when a large percentage of American Churches have adopted services to imitate a secular society. There is no hope as it stands. Once the Churches became nothing more than entertainment all was lost.



sad that the first poster only came away with what he/she perceived as an attack on pro-life Christians. :,-(

the second guy touches on a popular criticism amongst 'traditional' churches and the so call 'secular' churches. Personally, if you don't change the way the church service is delivered and every church sticks to the same organ playing hymnal singing program, they will not attract anybody younger than the age of 40. The messages need to be the same but to say the delivery method has caused the American Churches to be hopeless, this guy doesn't get the big picture either.
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Postby Coppermine » Sat Apr 07, 2007 9:25 pm

There is a special on CNN right now based on this article, hosted by Roland Martin and titled "What Would Jesus Really Do?"

If you're interested in this, you should check it out.
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Postby great gretzky » Sun Apr 08, 2007 11:50 am

that was interesting. I'm incredibly tired of everything boiling down to those two topics. And I think some of the responses on CNN just shows that some elements of the faith just aren't willing to think critically. Let's just take their "babies being killed comments/sentiments" at face value, and I think that their sentiment is a noble one by and large. However, a lot of our financial policy worldwide also contributes to millions of kids dying and starving. Or, to put in another way, we could be doing so much more to allieviate suffering world wide.

To me, at least with the gay marriage thing -- I don't agree with evanglicals on the topic at all. But even if I did, I kind of think its God's job to decide at the end, and it seems pointless to run around and rail against that. If you think its wrong, then so be it an be satisfied the lord will rectify it eventually. (Like I said, I disagree with the right on this issue. Especially since the reiligous right;s insistence on "Traditional" marriage is one guy one woman. Nevermind that throughout history, it seems to me polygamy was pretty rampant, so its hard to insist on this model.)

Seems to me, that our conspicuous consumption as a nation in a whole is a form of gluttony, and if certain elements of our nation are going to insist on calling it a "christian nation" then they really should address poverty, gluttony, and so forth. seems to me JC spoke much more on poverty, compassion etc. than on some of the issues we are so entrenched in.

unofortunatley, any scholar who challenges traditional interpretations of the bible or passages is dubbed a "revisionist."
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Postby Coppermine » Tue Apr 10, 2007 5:07 pm

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Postby Omaha Red Sox » Tue Apr 10, 2007 5:22 pm

That's hilarious Copper. :-b
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Postby StlSluggers » Wed May 09, 2007 4:11 pm

And this is why I started this thread:

Lou Dobbs, for CNN.com, wrote:NEW YORK (CNN) -- The separation of church and state in this country is narrowing. And it is the church, not the state that is encroaching. Our Constitution protects religion from the intrusion or coercion of the state. But we have precious little protection against the political adventurism of all manner of churches and religious organizations.

The leadership of the Catholic Church and many Protestant churches, as well as Jewish and even Muslim religious organizations, are driving that political adventurism as those leaders conflate religion and politics. And while there is a narrowing of the separation between church and state, there is a widening schism between the leadership of churches and religious organizations and their followers and members.

Conservative evangelical leader James Dobson recently said actor and former Sen. Fred Thompson wasn't Christian enough to be president. He instead chose to commend Newt Gingrich, who has been married three times and recently admitted to an extramarital affair. Five evangelical Christian leaders signed the "Land Letter" to President Bush in 2002 affirming a Christian theological basis to invade Iraq.

This week the head of the Los Angeles Archdiocese, Cardinal Roger Mahoney, basically threatened his faithful with denial of heaven if they don't support amnesty for illegal aliens. The good Cardinal said: "Anything that tears down one group of people or one person, anything that is a negative in our community, disqualifies us from being part of the eternal city."

The nation's religious leaders seem hell-bent on ignoring the separation of church and state when it comes to the politically charged issue of illegal immigration. A new coalition called Christians for Comprehensive Immigration Reform Wednesday will begin lobbying lawmakers with a new advertising and direct mail campaign on behalf of amnesty for illegal aliens.

The Rev. Jim Wallis of Sojourners Magazine put it this way: "If given the choice on this issue between Jesus and Lou Dobbs, I choose my Lord and savior, Jesus Christ."

But before the faithful acquiesce in the false choice offered by the good Reverend, perhaps he and his followers should consult Romans 13, where it is written: "Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves."

There is a more obvious and immediate judgment offered by the followers and members of both the Protestant and Catholic Churches. A Zogby poll last year asked churchgoers if they supported the House bill that would make illegal aliens return home and reduce future illegal immigration by securing the border and performing checks on illegal employers. Seventy-five percent of Protestants responded that was a good or very good idea, 77 percent of born-again Christians also agreed, and 66 percent of Catholics also backed tougher enforcement measures.

This schism between our church leaders and church members is just as broad and deep as that between our elected officials and their constituents across the country. Neither the state nor the church is exhibiting wisdom or fidelity to our national values in permitting the widening of that divide.
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Postby Tavish » Wed May 09, 2007 6:07 pm

This week the head of the Los Angeles Archdiocese, Cardinal Roger Mahoney, basically threatened his faithful with denial of heaven if they don't support amnesty for illegal aliens. The good Cardinal said: "Anything that tears down one group of people or one person, anything that is a negative in our community, disqualifies us from being part of the eternal city."


The guy from Police Academy becaome an Archdiocese? Congrats to him!

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