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Postby Old_Style » Sat Mar 31, 2007 9:53 pm

Yoda wrote:I like Kouzmanoff as much as most people and I do think he is worth a bit more than he gets credit for.


Would you mention him in the same breathe as David Wright though?
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Postby Yoda » Sat Mar 31, 2007 10:26 pm

Old_Style wrote:
Yoda wrote:I like Kouzmanoff as much as most people and I do think he is worth a bit more than he gets credit for.


Would you mention him in the same breathe as David Wright though?


Of course not but I'm not sure either that Wright is worth 20 rounds before him...
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Postby shasty mcnasty » Sat Mar 31, 2007 10:43 pm

if i recall correctly from surfing last year, dobrow is one of these guys who has a job because he stirs the pot...he is to be read for entertainment purposes only, and for even that purpose, he's pretty much worthless... :-°
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Postby Denmarch » Sun Apr 01, 2007 1:01 pm

Syler wrote:
Wright is a star, but he ain't 20 rounds better than Akinori Iwamura or Kevin Kouzmanoff.


He most certainly is 20 rounds better than a career minor leaguer and a mediocre Japanese bat.

Kouzmanoff went to college, and started in the minors after that. He then logged 4 years in the minors. Other players start earlier because they don't go to, or don't complete, college. Four years in the minors hardly make a guy a "career minor leaguer." By my count, even the illustrious Matt Holliday spent 6 years in the minors.

Don't simply look at age of major-league arrival to predict talent. I only make this point because I've seen this erroneous argument made against other players.
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Postby Chrisy Moltisanti » Sun Apr 01, 2007 1:32 pm

Kouz is eligible at Util and possibly will be at 3B, very very deep positions. Yes Wright is worth drafting 20 rounds ahead of him.

If H. Matsui was hitting 40 and 50 HR every year, what is 35? :-°
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Postby teddy ballgame » Sun Apr 01, 2007 1:56 pm

Chrisy Moltisanti wrote:Kouz is eligible at Util and possibly will be at 3B, very very deep positions. Yes Wright is worth drafting 20 rounds ahead of him.

Exactly. 3B is a very deep position, so why is Wright 20 rounds better than him?
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Postby Chrisy Moltisanti » Sun Apr 01, 2007 2:00 pm

teddy ballgame wrote:
Chrisy Moltisanti wrote:Kouz is eligible at Util and possibly will be at 3B, very very deep positions. Yes Wright is worth drafting 20 rounds ahead of him.

Exactly. 3B is a very deep position, so why is Wright 20 rounds better than him?


Because there are few like Wright and many like Iwamura/Kouz(who isn't even 3b elig).
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Postby ChipperJonesFanatic » Sun Apr 01, 2007 2:05 pm

Come on. Kouz had very few games, so don't pull the 3B eligible argument. He will get it before the end of the week, so that argument won't go anywhere.
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Postby Chrisy Moltisanti » Sun Apr 01, 2007 2:08 pm

Not really the crux:

Chrisy Moltisanti wrote:Kouz is eligible at Util and possibly will be at 3B, very very deep positions. Yes Wright is worth drafting 20 rounds ahead of him.

If H. Matsui was hitting 40 and 50 HR every year, what is 35? :-°


I guess the point is there is a plethora of potentially second rate 3Bs, while relatively few 1st rate 3Bs.
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Postby teddy ballgame » Sun Apr 01, 2007 2:10 pm

Chrisy Moltisanti wrote:
teddy ballgame wrote:
Chrisy Moltisanti wrote:Kouz is eligible at Util and possibly will be at 3B, very very deep positions. Yes Wright is worth drafting 20 rounds ahead of him.

Exactly. 3B is a very deep position, so why is Wright 20 rounds better than him?


Because there are few like Wright and many like Iwamura/Kouz(who isn't even 3b elig).

Few like Wright? Seems to me there are a bunch of guys who can go 30/100 with some steals. Most of them play a shallower position making them even more valuable. Even at 3B there's 4 or 5 guys who have a good numbers all around.
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