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by **HOOTIE** » Wed Dec 17, 2003 2:54 pm

BUD and JOSH, nice post. I was scratching my head myself over the statement Santana was proven and Beckett wasn't.

Career era+

Beckett 121
Santana 118

Beckett is younger, has the park and league advantage, and imo has better stuff. Both should be studs.

by **Pogotheostrich** » Wed Dec 17, 2003 2:56 pm

joshheines wrote:When Beckett put it all together in the second half he was a monster. 13 starts, 6 wins, 93 K in 88 IP, and a WHIP of 1.19.

If you want to use 2nd half stats from last year here are Santana's 14 starts, 8 wins, 88 K in 86 IP and a WHIP of 1.08.

by **joshheines** » Wed Dec 17, 2003 3:28 pm

As much as people like to disregard post-season stats, the fact of the matter is we can't. They are games pitched againt major league teams. And not only major league teams, but the highest echelon of major league teams. Throw in Beckett's tremendous post-season to his superb second half and I'll take him over Santana. You guys are all forgetting two key factors. One, Beckett is significantly younger than Santana as far as maturity as a pitcher goes (yes two years is a lot in that regard). Two, Beckett is considered by most scouts who know anything to have the same talent level as Prior. Santana is good, DAMN GOOD. He probably will be great. But I think of Prior and Beckett as Clemens and Gooden of our era. Hopefully they don't become crackwhores, but that's another post. These guys have all the talent in the world. I take Beckett by slightly more than a slim margin.

by **Pogotheostrich** » Wed Dec 17, 2003 4:11 pm

I don't see where 13 months makes that much of a difference. I agree that scouts have said that Beckett has a higher ceiling but scouts have been wrong before. Point is that this will be much clearer after this season, for now it is mostly guesswork.

by **Swinger** » Wed Dec 17, 2003 5:18 pm

BECKETT!!!!!!!!!!!!

No, I'm not gonna give any reasons. Just trust me.

by **Budworth22** » Wed Dec 17, 2003 8:24 pm

What enabled Beckett to pitch the best post season game since McDowell is Talent. He has more talent. He has all the advantages including 2 years younger. Finally people are starting to see beckett as the better or the 2. Just hope nobody in my leagues read this thread.

by **Guest** » Thu Dec 18, 2003 12:46 am

I go Beckett -- he might go earlier because of the Series. But he's the closest thing to Prior of any youngster and pitches in the NL and in a more pitcher friendly ball park.

by **wrveres** » Thu Dec 18, 2003 1:04 am

Budworth22 wrote: Beckett: Younger, better stuff, better head, better park, Better player.

Beckett

by **Guest** » Thu Dec 18, 2003 1:07 am

Maybe Beckett hasn't pitched a full season at the MLB in the starting rotation....neither has Santana.

Just take Beckett people. I know Santana has his little fan base, but Beckett is the better pitcher. Period.

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