Area51's wrote:Santana for me too, just by a small margin. Only reasons are that I see Beckett w/ more chance for downside and wildness. AND that Beckett will be over-hyped from his playoff/world series performance. Seems like guys that really shine on that stage get way over-valued, and sometimes struggle a bit the next year.
Beckett isn't THAT guy, but I just see a little bit less possible downside w/ Santana.
like troy glaus after his WS performance from the year before
They are about even now, and Beckett has a much higher upside.
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i think the only thing beckett lacked in the past was confidence and maturity, and he has a lot of both going into 2004. i think what he was able to do in the post season was just a glance of whats to come. the cubs series alone may have changed his entire career.
You have all fallen victim to the fantasy baseball cafe hype machine. Santana is proven and Beckett is not? Has either one pitched a full season as a starter? No. How can you say one is proven and the other is not. It's simply a ridiculous statement to make.
Last year, Santana only started 18 games. In 18 games, he had 11 wins, 2.86 ERA, 109 K in 110 IP, and a WHIP of 1.00.
Last year, Beckett only started 23 games. In 23 games, he had 9 wins, 3.06 ERA, 151 K in 141 IP, and a WHIP of 1.32.
When Beckett put it all together in the second half he was a monster. 13 starts, 6 wins, 93 K in 88 IP, and a WHIP of 1.19. Add to that his dominating postseason, proving he can do it in the big spot. 6 games, 5 starts, 2 CG, 2.11 ERA, .77 WHIP and 47K in 42 IP.
joshheines wrote:You have all fallen victim to the fantasy baseball cafe hype machine. Santana is proven and Beckett is not? Has either one pitched a full season as a starter? No. How can you say one is proven and the other is not. It's simply a ridiculous statement to make.
Last year, Santana only started 18 games. In 18 games, he had 11 wins, 2.86 ERA, 109 K in 110 IP, and a WHIP of 1.00.
Last year, Beckett only started 23 games. In 23 games, he had 9 wins, 3.06 ERA, 151 K in 141 IP, and a WHIP of 1.32.
When Beckett put it all together in the second half he was a monster. 13 starts, 6 wins, 93 K in 88 IP, and a WHIP of 1.19. Add to that his dominating postseason, proving he can do it in the big spot. 6 games, 5 starts, 2 CG, 2.11 ERA, .77 WHIP and 47K in 42 IP.
I'll take Beckett.
Good post Josh . I was about to try to derail the cafe "hype machine" myself.
Since a lot of you guys listen to Madison, you may want to take note that he said he would prefer to draft Santana because Beckett will go too early; however, the original question was,
astofan wrote:Who's the better keeper fantasy player?
Beckett is a better keeper prospect because he has a heigher ceiling, and he has begun to tap his potential at a younger age.
shortsavage wrote:Since a lot of you guys listen to Madison, you may want to take note that he said he would prefer to draft Santana because Beckett will go too early
I need a full season out of them to answer the original question. I gave an answer that is actually helpful.
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by kentx12 » Wed Dec 17, 2003 1:08 pm 
What about the 2003 season?
. I was about to try to derail the cafe "hype machine" myself. 
