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Postby Art Vandelay » Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:41 pm

Before--in Texas at least--you had to try to flee before using deadly force.
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Postby Coppermine » Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:42 pm

Art Vandelay wrote:Before--in Texas at least--you had to try to flee before using deadly force.


So how is this bill different? Or is it just the same thing, but to get gun-totin' Texans like Madison all riled up :-D
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Postby Art Vandelay » Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:44 pm

Madison wrote:
Art Vandelay wrote:I dug up a little more on this, and it turns out that you have to believe your life is in danger. Sorry Mad, you can't shoot them for trying to steal your Hyundai...unless they actually attack you while they're trying to take it. Also, a person must fit all of this criteria in order to legally be able to kill someone who they think may be trying to kill them.

The Texas Castle Doctrine wrote:•Has a right to be present at the location – habitation, motor vehicle or place of business – where the deadly force is used.

•Has not provoked the person against whom the deadly force is used.

•Is not engaged in criminal activity at the time the deadly force is used.


So, for instance, you couldn't invite a mormon who comes to your door in, then pick a fight with him and kill him.

Also, it looks like you won't be able to shoot anyone during any of the cock-fights you host in your basement Madison.


Is that the old doctrine, or the new one that will take effect in September? If it's the new one, got a link? :-)

Regardless, you'll see a few extra dead criminals, and less perfectly good citizens punished for killing them. B-)

And I don't do cock-fights. Never even been to one. :-b


That's from the new one. I already closed the link to the article, but it's in the Morning News.
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Postby Madison » Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:45 pm

Coppermine wrote:So how is this any different than a justification for people to have guns at home before? I mean, I thought the whole self defense aspect of gun ownership was that if someone broke into your home and tried to kill you, you could shoot them. Was that illegal before?


Technically yes. Your "duty" was to run and call the police. Guns were more to try to scare the criminal away, and only to be used if your life was in danger.

That's why I got kicked out of jury duty. I told the entire courtroom (lawyers, defendant, and even the judge himself) that that particular law was garbage. If someone broke into my home, their sorry tail was mine to do with as I pleased. They dismissed me once I gave my speech (and you know me, it was long winded). ;-)
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Postby Coppermine » Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:46 pm

Art Vandelay wrote:
Madison wrote:
Art Vandelay wrote:I dug up a little more on this, and it turns out that you have to believe your life is in danger. Sorry Mad, you can't shoot them for trying to steal your Hyundai...unless they actually attack you while they're trying to take it. Also, a person must fit all of this criteria in order to legally be able to kill someone who they think may be trying to kill them.

The Texas Castle Doctrine wrote:•Has a right to be present at the location – habitation, motor vehicle or place of business – where the deadly force is used.

•Has not provoked the person against whom the deadly force is used.

•Is not engaged in criminal activity at the time the deadly force is used.


So, for instance, you couldn't invite a mormon who comes to your door in, then pick a fight with him and kill him.

Also, it looks like you won't be able to shoot anyone during any of the cock-fights you host in your basement Madison.


Is that the old doctrine, or the new one that will take effect in September? If it's the new one, got a link? :-)

Regardless, you'll see a few extra dead criminals, and less perfectly good citizens punished for killing them. B-)

And I don't do cock-fights. Never even been to one. :-b


That's from the new one. I already closed the link to the article, but it's in the Morning News.


Do they really have tamale vendors at cock fights, like in Seinfeld? I'd go if there's tamales.

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Postby Madison » Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:48 pm

Coppermine wrote:
Art Vandelay wrote:Before--in Texas at least--you had to try to flee before using deadly force.


So how is this bill different? Or is it just the same thing, but to get gun-totin' Texans like Madison all riled up :-D


I still read it that if someone breaks into your castle (home), you can kill them now without having to try to flee first.

And I'm not riled up :-b , just happy to hear more criminals will be dead is all. ;-D Should help the crime rate too, how many criminals are going to break into someone's home if there a chance they are legally shot dead the minute they step one foot on the property? :-)

Art Vandelay wrote:That's from the new one. I already closed the link to the article, but it's in the Morning News.


Cool. Thanks Art. I'll make sure to pick up a copy of each paper (we've only got 2) today. :-) ;-D
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Postby joelamosobadiah » Wed Mar 28, 2007 5:02 pm

YES!!!

I love this change. Texas is really lenient on gun control laws, but their self-defense laws were pretty vague still. IE, you had to prove that your life was in danger due to a deadly weapon and had to make an attempt to flee (form what I heard) under the old law. This was a bit unclear due to the fact that a lot of things can be deadly and if somebody has a gun, I am not gonna try to run away from them before I blast them.

Anyway, I don't think this will result in more people being shot for breaking in to people's homes. Those who aren't afraid to do it will probably do it now as well as before this was passed while those who wouldn't probably wouldn't in either case. However, this should decrease the number of people that get prison/jail/probation/criminal record for shooting somebody for breaking in to their property. ;-D
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Postby thedude » Wed Mar 28, 2007 5:23 pm

I figured Texas would already have that law. I can think of a few much more liberal states that already have laws like this.
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