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Postby Madison » Wed Mar 28, 2007 9:51 am

Omaha Red Sox wrote: a friend who struggles with pornography


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Postby Art Vandelay » Wed Mar 28, 2007 10:36 am

Was Jesus anti-porn?
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Postby chadlincoln » Wed Mar 28, 2007 10:52 am

Art Vandelay wrote:Was Jesus anti-porn?
He definitely stayed away from porn sites.
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Postby Art Vandelay » Wed Mar 28, 2007 11:04 am

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Art Vandelay wrote:Was Jesus anti-porn?
He definitely stayed away from porn sites.


Believe it or not, I wasn't being a smart-ass with that question. Pornography definitely existed during Jesus' time, did he ever speak about it?
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Postby chadlincoln » Wed Mar 28, 2007 11:49 am

Art Vandelay wrote:
chadlincoln wrote:
Art Vandelay wrote:Was Jesus anti-porn?
He definitely stayed away from porn sites.


Believe it or not, I wasn't being a smart-ass with that question. Pornography definitely existed during Jesus' time, did he ever speak about it?
What in Jesus day would you consider to be porn as we have porn today?
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Postby Omaha Red Sox » Wed Mar 28, 2007 12:00 pm

Art Vandelay wrote:
chadlincoln wrote:
Art Vandelay wrote:Was Jesus anti-porn?
He definitely stayed away from porn sites.


Believe it or not, I wasn't being a smart-ass with that question. Pornography definitely existed during Jesus' time, did he ever speak about it?


I have never heard anything that would indicate there was pornography in those times or that Jesus ever mentioned it. However the Bible is pretty clear about addictions and lust.
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Postby joelamosobadiah » Wed Mar 28, 2007 12:17 pm

Omaha Red Sox wrote:
Art Vandelay wrote:
chadlincoln wrote:
Art Vandelay wrote:Was Jesus anti-porn?
He definitely stayed away from porn sites.


Believe it or not, I wasn't being a smart-ass with that question. Pornography definitely existed during Jesus' time, did he ever speak about it?


I have never heard anything that would indicate there was pornography in those times or that Jesus ever mentioned it. However the Bible is pretty clear about addictions and lust.


Exactly. If it were possible to look at pornography without any lust in any way, then it might be a different story, but the Bible speaks very strongly against lust of the flesh and lust of the eyes.
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Postby Art Vandelay » Wed Mar 28, 2007 12:19 pm

Here's a brief description of ancient porn from encarta:

encarta wrote:Although little is known about the origins of pornography, it is as old as written records. The ancient Greeks used pornographic themes in songs in Dionysian festivals, and ancient Romans painted pornographic pictures on walls in the ancient city of Pompeii.


And I remember a bunch of hoopla a few years ago surrounding the "secret" room at the Naples Museum of Archaeology being opened to the public. It contains a bunch of ancient porn. Anyway, it's no secret that humans have been interested in sexuality--and methods of expressing it--for as long as there have been human beings.

Anyway, I wasn't sure if any of the gospels say that Jesus ever spoke about it, and I figured you guys could point me in the right direction if they did.

edit: here's a link about the "secret room" at the Naples Museum...pretty interesting stuff:

http://www.solomonsrefuge.com/secret_room.htm
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Postby joelamosobadiah » Wed Mar 28, 2007 12:28 pm

Art Vandelay wrote:Here's a brief description of ancient porn from encarta:

encarta wrote:Although little is known about the origins of pornography, it is as old as written records. The ancient Greeks used pornographic themes in songs in Dionysian festivals, and ancient Romans painted pornographic pictures on walls in the ancient city of Pompeii.


And I remember a bunch of hoopla a few years ago surrounding the "secret" room at the Naples Museum of Archaeology being opened to the public. It contains a bunch of ancient porn. Anyway, it's no secret that humans have been interested in sexuality--and methods of expressing it--for as long as there have been human beings.

Anyway, I wasn't sure if any of the gospels say that Jesus ever spoke about it, and I figured you guys could point me in the right direction if they did.

edit: here's a link about the "secret room" at the Naples Museum...pretty interesting stuff:

http://www.solomonsrefuge.com/secret_room.htm


See above explanations as to how it is spoken of in the Bible.

Anyway, I totally agree that there was porn of some sort back then. The big difference being there was no photographic porn. Of course even beyond that I have never seen ancient drawings that were much more recognizable than what I could make. Definitely not the same stuff we are dealing with in this day and age. Even if you took out the photographic stuff from today I am sure the cartoon "fake"/anime stuff of today is way worse than what they may have had then.

EDIT: OK, they were pretty realistic back then. Ummmmm Art, that link might not be on par with cafe standards. ;-D

Still nothing compared to what will come up today, so my posts still stand. :-D
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Postby Omaha Red Sox » Wed Mar 28, 2007 12:30 pm

I'm not surprised that pornography was around since the beginning of sexuality. Makes sense. As said earlier, I don't recall ever reading in the Bible or any other book whether Jesus spoke out specifically about pornography, but the principles are there. Pornography is so easily accessible now and the numbers of users is staggering so a ministry of this sort, directed right at the problem, is great.
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