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Postby nsulham » Thu Dec 11, 2003 7:19 pm

I will go on record as saying right now that Jeff Weaver will have at least as good a 2004, if not better, than Kevin Brown.

Weaver will thrive in Chavez and find the less-pressurized atmosphere will do wonders for him. Kevin Brown will break down at some point during the season, mark my words.
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Postby Transmogrifier » Thu Dec 11, 2003 7:21 pm

wrveres wrote:Bye Kevin, take care you hypocrite ...


What's this about WR?

And what are the odds KB gets injured before the break? 3-1? All year? 1-1? ;-D
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Postby BKeller » Thu Dec 11, 2003 7:23 pm

Ooops. Meant to post this as a reply, not a new topic. My bad: flame the new kid!

Ok, maybe I'm reading too much into this, but does it strike anyone as odd that Kevin Brown pitched 21 starts at home but only 11 on the road? Given how pitcher-friendly LA is, what are the odds that LA was trying throughout 2003 to get Brown pitching at home to help his ERA/WHIP to make him more tradeable? Admittedly, his home and road ERAs were identical (2.40 v. 2.38), but the road teams he played were mostly crappy teams (Det, Ari, Cin, Mil, Mon, Ana, SDG, Fla (early, when everyone thought they stunk) or good teams in pitchers' parks (e.g., SF). The only good team he played on the road outside of the Giants (in pitcher-luscious Pac Bell) was Philly. Coincidence . . . or something more than that?

Given that his ERA in the AL was always substantially higher than in the NL and given where he pitched last year, are the Yanks getting a 4.00 ERA guy rather than a 2.39 guy?
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Postby blankman » Thu Dec 11, 2003 7:32 pm

Transmogrifier wrote:
wrveres wrote:Bye Kevin, take care you hypocrite ...


What's this about WR?

And what are the odds KB gets injured before the break? 3-1? All year? 1-1? ;-D


I'll take the same odds on both Pedro and Schilling getting hurt ;-D
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Postby blankman » Thu Dec 11, 2003 7:34 pm

Transmogrifier wrote:George has gone over the deep end.


Not yet. When he signs Lofton, then I'll agree with you.
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Postby Greenrider » Thu Dec 11, 2003 7:34 pm

BKeller wrote:Given that his ERA in the AL was always substantially higher than in the NL and given where he pitched last year, are the Yanks getting a 4.00 ERA guy rather than a 2.39 guy?


mm...no, I don't think so - his ERA+ (factors out park effects) last season was 169, which was good for 3rd in the NL. His career ERA+ compares favorably with Schilling's. In fact, he's essentially a Schilling who trades strikeouts for fewer homeruns allowed due to the sinker, and with much less durability (12 CG in '93, 0 CG past two years).

Paying essentially $18 mil for him (and further ravaging a depleted farm system) is extreme overkill though.
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Postby wrveres » Thu Dec 11, 2003 7:44 pm

Transmogrifier wrote:
wrveres wrote:Bye Kevin, take care you hypocrite ...


What's this about WR?

And what are the odds KB gets injured before the break? 3-1? All year? 1-1? ;-D


when he left San Diego to go to LA ... He said it was because he wanted to be closer to his family ..... His family lives in Macon GA . 8-o
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Postby Transmogrifier » Thu Dec 11, 2003 7:48 pm

blankman wrote:
Transmogrifier wrote:
wrveres wrote:Bye Kevin, take care you hypocrite ...


What's this about WR?

And what are the odds KB gets injured before the break? 3-1? All year? 1-1? ;-D


I'll take the same odds on both Pedro and Schilling getting hurt ;-D


Sure, Pedro, not Schill. Remember, his injuries last year weren't baseball related.

KB will be 39 soon, and has been on the DL 11 times, I believe. That's not good.
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Postby Transmogrifier » Thu Dec 11, 2003 7:50 pm

wrveres wrote:
Transmogrifier wrote:
wrveres wrote:Bye Kevin, take care you hypocrite ...


What's this about WR?

And what are the odds KB gets injured before the break? 3-1? All year? 1-1? ;-D


when he left San Diego to go to LA ... He said it was because he wanted to be closer to his family ..... His family lives in Macon GA . 8-o


ooh. I didn't know that. :-t Kind of like Clemens saying he would only pitch for the Red Sox or Texas and that it "wasn't about the money." Grrrr....
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Postby Transmogrifier » Thu Dec 11, 2003 7:51 pm

FYI, rumors are that Weaver will be a centerpiece for a swap for Frank Thomas or Drew.
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