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Postby clevername » Sat Mar 24, 2007 10:48 am

an interesting quote from a cnnsi.com article on some guy named Gordon (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/b ... don/2.html)

During the season Gordon developed a friendly rivalry with Butler, his Wranglers teammate. Though two years younger, the 6'1, 240-pound Butler was drafted 14th overall in '04 and may be the better pure hitting prospect (though his glovework at third base was so bad, the team is switching him to the outfield). In Double A Wichita last year, Butler batted .331 with 15 homers and 96 RBIs in 119 games, winning MVP honors at the All-Star Futures game along the way. He has power to all fields, as was on display this spring during his thunderous batting practice sessions. "I hate to compare him to anyone," says Bell, who then does just that, "but he's a Frank Thomas type, a guy with some power who really understands hitting at the same time."

This spring training Butler had eight hits in his first 12 at bats at week's end was hitting .481 with two home runs.
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Postby Jenkins » Sat Mar 24, 2007 1:31 pm

It depends on what you are looking for in my opinion.

Butler is hands down the best hitter out there, and every writeup will tell you he will be a DH which will hurt his value.

Maybin is a great hitter, not as good as Butler, but he will play a position and bring speed as well.

Longoria is also nasty and have mentioned him moving to 2B which would make him very elite.

Either way, if you close your eyes and pick it wont be a bad pick, but you should really look at your needs because they are pretty equal in value.
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Postby thedude » Sat Mar 24, 2007 2:19 pm

I go for Maybin. Butler will be a great player, but he will also most likely be a DH for most of his career. Maybin is a five tool stud, so you take the guy who will help you in five cats and not be restricted to the Util.
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Postby PlayingWithFire » Sat Mar 24, 2007 2:59 pm

keep in mind Billy Butler hit for a 880 OPS in AA last year at age 20 and Maybin hit .840 in A last year at age 19 and struck out 119 times in only 385 ab, in A Ball!
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Postby High Heater » Sat Mar 24, 2007 4:08 pm

PlayingWithFire wrote:keep in mind Billy Butler hit for a 880 OPS in AA last year at age 20 and Maybin hit .840 in A last year at age 19 and struck out 119 times in only 385 ab, in A Ball!


maybin laso missed time with injury and can steal 40+ again every scout out there prefers maybin over butler for many reasons obviously.
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Postby 05worldserieschamps » Sat Mar 24, 2007 4:27 pm

it's only because they care about defense a great deal in prospect lists. Butler's bat is definitely in the same area as Maybin when it comes to upside and he's way closer to the majors than Maybin. I'd take Butler no doubt.


So if Butler and Maybin's bats are close to each other, and Maybin has 40+ Stolen Base potential, then is there an reason at all to go with Butler?

And just for the record...

Baseball America in their Top 100 list has Maybin 6th overall. They have Butler 25th.

Like High Heater said, almost, if not all, scouts perfer Maybin easily over Butler.
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Postby PlayingWithFire » Sat Mar 24, 2007 4:32 pm

05worldserieschamps wrote:
it's only because they care about defense a great deal in prospect lists. Butler's bat is definitely in the same area as Maybin when it comes to upside and he's way closer to the majors than Maybin. I'd take Butler no doubt.


So if Butler and Maybin's bats are close to each other, and Maybin has 40+ Stolen Base potential, then is there an reason at all to go with Butler?

And just for the record...

Baseball America in their Top 100 list has Maybin 6th overall. They have Butler 25th.

Like High Heater said, almost, if not all, scouts perfer Maybin easily over Butler.


Because the Bust factor of Maybin is sky high compare to Butler? Seriously, how many people hyped Corey Patterson several years ago? Look how he's doing now?

Maybin doesn't have as much power as Butler either.
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Postby sagecoll » Sat Mar 24, 2007 4:41 pm

I think you guys take the 5 tool stamp way too far. Realize that with power speed guys like Vlad, Beltran, or even Arod. They stop stealing bases around 25-28 years old. At that point, it comes to the bat. The best hitter in minors (this includes disapline, power, and average) is Billy Butler. I'd take him over almost anyone right now, aside from Gordon. His swing is godly, and that, over everything, will make him more valuable
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Postby High Heater » Sat Mar 24, 2007 8:32 pm

like i said i think Maybin is the superior talent... scouts pegged him for 40 HR potential if he tops out his ceiling.... thats damn good imo and is why he was getting compared to Vlad.

Butler mashes no doubt but i have also seen concerns that he could be another Cust.... who really knows.

whats not disputable is how scouts rate these prospects and Maybin is viewed as the superior prospect.

imo Butlers bat isnt "godly" like the previous person suggests.
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Postby PlayingWithFire » Sat Mar 24, 2007 8:35 pm

High Heater wrote:like i said i think Maybin is the superior talent... scouts pegged him for 40 HR potential if he tops out his ceiling.... thats damn good imo and is why he was getting compared to Vlad.

Butler mashes no doubt but i have also seen concerns that he could be another Cust.... who really knows.

whats not disputable is how scouts rate these prospects and Maybin is viewed as the superior prospect.

imo Butlers bat isnt "godly" like the previous person suggests.


You gotta admit the bust factor is high for Maybin though.
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