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Postby HOOTIE » Wed Dec 10, 2003 4:32 am

matrick wrote:I didn't say he was Barry Bonds, but Ibanez does have gap power with 37 doubles in 2002 to go along with a .537 slugging pct. and 24 home runs. Basicly, he will add more power to the left field position than the Mariners had in 2003. Which isn't hard to do.


If can repeat that great. But he did that in Kaufman, the Coors of the AL. He now will have to hit in Safeco 81 times. :-o
The year you mention 02, he slugged 568 at home, 502 road.
In 02 Safeco had a 84 double index. :-t
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Postby matrick » Wed Dec 10, 2003 6:52 am

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matrick wrote:I didn't say he was Barry Bonds, but Ibanez does have gap power with 37 doubles in 2002 to go along with a .537 slugging pct. and 24 home runs. Basicly, he will add more power to the left field position than the Mariners had in 2003. Which isn't hard to do.


If can repeat that great. But he did that in Kaufman, the Coors of the AL. He now will have to hit in Safeco 81 times. :-o
The year you mention 02, he slugged 568 at home, 502 road.
In 02 Safeco had a 84 double index. :-t


The obvious reason for an 84 double index in Safeco is the speed the mariners have in the outfield. Gold gloves in center and right, along with Winn who is fast and is an ex centerfielder. And nobody even attempts to stretch long singles into doubles on Ichiro. You basicly have to hit a line drive off the wall to reach the gaps against that outfield. Safeco has a huge outfield and a line drive hitter like Ibanez will hit plenty of doubles.
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Postby HOOTIE » Wed Dec 10, 2003 8:38 pm

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The obvious reason for an 84 double index in Safeco is the speed the mariners have in the outfield. Gold gloves in center and right, along with Winn who is fast and is an ex centerfielder. And nobody even attempts to stretch long singles into doubles on Ichiro. You basicly have to hit a line drive off the wall to reach the gaps against that outfield. Safeco has a huge outfield and a line drive hitter like Ibanez will hit plenty of doubles.


Park indexes are done by taking the (home team at home, and the opponent there), and dividing it by the (home team road numbers + the opponents home numbers). Speed, lack of speed has no bearing at all. Those same fast outfielders play away from Safeco as well. You are thinking the number is based on Safeco doubles only, when it's the difference that counts.
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Postby matrick » Wed Dec 10, 2003 10:22 pm

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The obvious reason for an 84 double index in Safeco is the speed the mariners have in the outfield. Gold gloves in center and right, along with Winn who is fast and is an ex centerfielder. And nobody even attempts to stretch long singles into doubles on Ichiro. You basicly have to hit a line drive off the wall to reach the gaps against that outfield. Safeco has a huge outfield and a line drive hitter like Ibanez will hit plenty of doubles.


Park indexes are done by taking the (home team at home, and the opponent there), and dividing it by the (home team road numbers + the opponents home numbers). Speed, lack of speed has no bearing at all. Those same fast outfielders play away from Safeco as well. You are thinking the number is based on Safeco doubles only, when it's the difference that counts.


Of course it matters, those 81 games played in Safeco field with that outfield is factored into the equation. They also factor into the equation when they play in other parks where they have less of an impact because they play far fewer games at each park. Also, the schedule is skewed towards playing the majority of the games within the same division. In the AL West 3 of the 4 teams are in the bottom half of the american league in doubles. Only Detroit hit fewer doubles than Anaheim and Texas. Teams without doubles hitters don't hit doubles in any park.

Anyway, you don't need an index to tell you if a park is good for hitting doubles.
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Postby HOOTIE » Thu Dec 11, 2003 3:35 am

matrick wrote:Of course it matters, those 81 games played in Safeco field with that outfield is factored into the equation. They also factor into the equation when they play in other parks where they have less of an impact because they play far fewer games at each park. Also, the schedule is skewed towards playing the majority of the games within the same division. In the AL West 3 of the 4 teams are in the bottom half of the american league in doubles. Only Detroit hit fewer doubles than Anaheim and Texas. Teams without doubles hitters don't hit doubles in any park.

Anyway, you don't need an index to tell you if a park is good for hitting doubles.


It doesn't matter if a team has everyone hitting 50 doubles, or 10. What matters in a park index is the number that were hit at home (Safeco) by both teams, and the number that were hit on Seattles road games, (opponents home park). If 4 out of 10 doubles occur at Safeco, and the other 6 occur on road, it's a negative index. It can be 40/60. What matter's is the DIFFERENCE, not if its a alot or small amount of doubles.

02 for example 84 double index

Seattle at home hit 105 doubles, Seattle on road hit 145, 40 more
Seattles opponents at Safeco hit 126 doubles, they hit 135 on Seattles road games, 9 more.

You now have 105 +126 = 231 Safeco doubles.
Away from Safeco you have 145+135 = 280 doubles.
231 Safeco doubles versus 280 non Safeco doubles gives you a 84 index, which is negative, 100 is neutral. For Safeco to be neutral, out of those combined 511 total doubles, about 256 would have to be at Safeco.
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Postby matrick » Fri Dec 12, 2003 12:11 am

Ok, I finally get it. thanks for the info!
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