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Vernon Wells ran out of gas the 2nd half

Postby Yikes » Mon Dec 08, 2003 11:48 pm

Average was up but everything else was down.

Pre All-star:
.299-23hr-84rbi

Post all-star:
.344-10hr-33rbi

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Postby pkarr5000 » Mon Dec 08, 2003 11:49 pm

so did delgado, but overall a solid year ;-D
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Postby bell » Mon Dec 08, 2003 11:50 pm

Indicative of the Toronto Blue Jays overall in 2003.

Well....except for Mr. Cy Young.
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Postby LBJackal » Mon Dec 08, 2003 11:55 pm

Well the Jays' offensive success was 100% reliant on those two. If they can stay consistent all year, the Jays have a shot at winning the east this year.........oh wait except for those two juggernauts south of the border :-[ But we should finish ahead of Baltimore and TB. Oh wait, B'more might get Vlad. Screw it, we better beat the D'Rays at least - and soon, cuz Baldelli, Crawford, and Huff are only getting better. It sucks being in a division with 3 economic powerhouses :~(
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Postby Madison » Tue Dec 09, 2003 12:06 am

The whole offense went down. Not a knock on Wells at all.
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Re: Vernon Wells ran out of gas the 2nd half

Postby L0rdB23 » Tue Dec 09, 2003 1:13 am

Yikes wrote:Average was up but everything else was down.

Pre All-star:
.299-23hr-84rbi

Post all-star:
.344-10hr-33rbi

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i understand his power numbers went down but can u really say a guy slumped when he batted 344??.. the only difference was in the second half catalanato was horrible and wasnt getting on base for wells to drive in and then they also traded stewart who got on base often
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Postby Yikes » Tue Dec 09, 2003 2:33 am

Looks like two completely different type of hitter before and after the all-star break
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Re: Vernon Wells ran out of gas the 2nd half

Postby HOOTIE » Tue Dec 09, 2003 3:15 am

Yikes wrote:Average was up but everything else was down.

Pre All-star:
.299-23hr-84rbi

Post all-star:
.344-10hr-33rbi

:-?



405 1st half abs
273 2nd half abs

That's why i dislike 1st/2nd half splits. Everyone plays more games the 1st half, and in effect, most guys will have better hr/rbi numbers the 1st half. A better way to even it out, is split it like this, April/May/June versus July/August/Sept.

The hr split becomes a little better 20/13, versus 23/10.
The rbi split becomes a little better 77/41, versus 84/33.

If we look at other numbers, it's just that the Jays the first 2 months were off the charts scoring. Wells actually had a better ops the 2nd half, so i wouldn't be concerned. Remember, rbis are team dependent, Wells had no control on fewer chances later on.

338 oba to 2nd half 391 oba.
556 slugging to 542 2nd half, not a big drop.
If Wells ops had taken a big drop, then those numbers might apply.
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Re: Vernon Wells ran out of gas the 2nd half

Postby ramble2 » Tue Dec 09, 2003 4:38 am

HOOTIE wrote:
Yikes wrote:Average was up but everything else was down.

Pre All-star:
.299-23hr-84rbi

Post all-star:
.344-10hr-33rbi

:-?



405 1st half abs
273 2nd half abs

That's why i dislike 1st/2nd half splits. Everyone plays more games the 1st half, and in effect, most guys will have better hr/rbi numbers the 1st half. A better way to even it out, is split it like this, April/May/June versus July/August/Sept.

The hr split becomes a little better 20/13, versus 23/10.
The rbi split becomes a little better 77/41, versus 84/33.

If we look at other numbers, it's just that the Jays the first 2 months were off the charts scoring. Wells actually had a better ops the 2nd half, so i wouldn't be concerned. Remember, rbis are team dependent, Wells had no control on fewer chances later on.

338 oba to 2nd half 391 oba.
556 slugging to 542 2nd half, not a big drop.
If Wells ops had taken a big drop, then those numbers might apply.


Well stated as always, Hootie.

Just to throw gas on the fire, Wells seemed to continue to develop his skills as a hitter in the 2nd half. Check out his career BB/K ratio progression:

2002: BB/K: 27/85 (.317)
2003: 1st half BB/K: 23/51 (.451)
2003: 2nd half BB/K: 19/29 (.655)

That's exactly what you want to see out of a young hitter. No need to worry about Wells. He'll be fine. Especially if some more of those doubles turn into HRs.
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Re: Vernon Wells ran out of gas the 2nd half

Postby d » Tue Dec 09, 2003 4:57 am

HOOTIE wrote:
Yikes wrote:Average was up but everything else was down.

Pre All-star:
.299-23hr-84rbi

Post all-star:
.344-10hr-33rbi

:-?



405 1st half abs
273 2nd half abs

That's why i dislike 1st/2nd half splits. Everyone plays more games the 1st half, and in effect, most guys will have better hr/rbi numbers the 1st half. A better way to even it out, is split it like this, April/May/June versus July/August/Sept.

The hr split becomes a little better 20/13, versus 23/10.
The rbi split becomes a little better 77/41, versus 84/33.

If we look at other numbers, it's just that the Jays the first 2 months were off the charts scoring. Wells actually had a better ops the 2nd half, so i wouldn't be concerned. Remember, rbis are team dependent, Wells had no control on fewer chances later on.

338 oba to 2nd half 391 oba.
556 slugging to 542 2nd half, not a big drop.
If Wells ops had taken a big drop, then those numbers might apply.


As usual Hootie, good catch ;-D
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