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Postby Chrisy Moltisanti » Fri Mar 23, 2007 12:10 am

I've seen several studies concluding that driving while talking on a hand held cell phone is just as or more dangerous than driving over 0.08 BAC. Where's all this moral judgement on those people, well us really, I don't know of anyone that consistently pulls over to talk. Where's the laws and the BS for that?
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Postby GotowarMissAgnes » Fri Mar 23, 2007 12:54 am

Chrisy Moltisanti wrote:I've seen several studies concluding that driving while talking on a hand held cell phone is just as or more dangerous than driving over 0.08 BAC. Where's all this moral judgement on those people, well us really, I don't know of anyone that consistently pulls over to talk. Where's the laws and the BS for that?


#1. Your facts are wrong
http://www.iii.org/media/hottopics/insu ... ellphones/
"However, cell-phone use is far less likely to be the cause of a crash or near-miss than other distractions, according to the study. For example, while reaching for a moving object such as a falling cup increased the risk of a crash or near-crash by 9 times, talking or listening on a hand-held cell phone only increased the risk by 1.3 times."

"Inattentive driving accounted for 6.4 percent of crash fatalities in 2003 — the latest data available — according to the U.S. Department of Transportation. Inattentive driving includes talking, eating, putting on make up and attending to children. Using cell phones and other wireless or electronic units are also considered distractions."

Thus, cell phones, must represent less than 6 percent of crash fatalities.

Meanwhile.....


"During 2005, 16,885 people in the U.S. died in alcohol-related motor vehicle crashes, representing 39 percent of all traffic-related deaths."

#2 I don't know about moral outrage, nor do I really care, but legal limits on cell phone use are rapidly spreading.
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Postby Tokugawa » Fri Mar 23, 2007 1:01 am

Chrisy Moltisanti wrote:I've seen several studies concluding that driving while talking on a hand held cell phone is just as or more dangerous than driving over 0.08 BAC. Where's all this moral judgement on those people, well us really, I don't know of anyone that consistently pulls over to talk. Where's the laws and the BS for that?


First, I'd like to see some of those studies. I'm not saying talking on a cell phone is not dangerous, but as or more dangerous than driving under the influence ... well I need to see proof of that.

Second mod edit :-t a number of states have banned using hand held cells phone while driving. (See California, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Washington DC, along with a number that have granted partial bans).

Pure ignorance ...
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Postby luckygehrig » Fri Mar 23, 2007 1:12 am

ScarletP wrote:
wrveres wrote:Now we are comparing this to rape? 8-o


I said statutory rape. A 18-yr old having consentual sex with a 16-yr old is a victimless crime, but could be considered criminal.


I think what ScarletP is trying to say here is that DUI, like statutory rape is a strict liability crime. There is no need to prove the intent like there is with other crimes. For DUI you can get it 3 different ways. You can fail a BAC test, where no matter what your actual tolerance level is, if you blow above a .08 you're considered intoxicated. You can also be deemed too impaired to drive by the officers, which is usually concluded through field sobriety tests. The third way is if you are "in control" of a vehicle while intoxicated. In control is a pretty loose definition, but usually it means that if you pull over to sleep it off, you have to take the keys out of the ignition throw them on the floor or somewhere, and get out of the drivers seat. It's clear that Tony was in control of the car, failed the BAC, and I think I read that he failed some field tests as well. It might suck, but that's the law. No intent necessary.
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Postby luckygehrig » Fri Mar 23, 2007 1:15 am

Tokugawa wrote:
Chrisy Moltisanti wrote:I've seen several studies concluding that driving while talking on a hand held cell phone is just as or more dangerous than driving over 0.08 BAC. Where's all this moral judgement on those people, well us really, I don't know of anyone that consistently pulls over to talk. Where's the laws and the BS for that?


First, I'd like to see some of those studies. I'm not saying talking on a cell phone is not dangerous, but as or more dangerous than driving under the influence ... well I need to see proof of that.

Second mod edit :-t a number of states have banned using hand held cells phone while driving. (See California, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Washington DC, along with a number that have granted partial bans).

Pure ignorance ...


Not cool. That's going to get this thread locked real quick, plus there's no need for it.
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Postby Chrisy Moltisanti » Fri Mar 23, 2007 1:17 am

GotowarMissAgnes wrote:
Chrisy Moltisanti wrote:I've seen several studies concluding that driving while talking on a hand held cell phone is just as or more dangerous than driving over 0.08 BAC. Where's all this moral judgement on those people, well us really, I don't know of anyone that consistently pulls over to talk. Where's the laws and the BS for that?


#1. Your facts are wrong
http://www.iii.org/media/hottopics/insu ... ellphones/
"However, cell-phone use is far less likely to be the cause of a crash or near-miss than other distractions, according to the study. For example, while reaching for a moving object such as a falling cup increased the risk of a crash or near-crash by 9 times, talking or listening on a hand-held cell phone only increased the risk by 1.3 times."

"Inattentive driving accounted for 6.4 percent of crash fatalities in 2003 — the latest data available — according to the U.S. Department of Transportation. Inattentive driving includes talking, eating, putting on make up and attending to children. Using cell phones and other wireless or electronic units are also considered distractions."

Thus, cell phones, must represent less than 6 percent of crash fatalities.

Meanwhile.....


"During 2005, 16,885 people in the U.S. died in alcohol-related motor vehicle crashes, representing 39 percent of all traffic-related deaths."

#2 I don't know about moral outrage, nor do I really care, but legal limits on cell phone use are rapidly spreading.


I've seen different studies. I don't trust 2003 Gov't numbers. Few people say " I was on the phone". The say it was a dog or a chick with big boobs or something.
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Postby RugbyD » Fri Mar 23, 2007 6:26 am

GotowarMissAgnes wrote:
Chrisy Moltisanti wrote:I've seen several studies concluding that driving while talking on a hand held cell phone is just as or more dangerous than driving over 0.08 BAC. Where's all this moral judgement on those people, well us really, I don't know of anyone that consistently pulls over to talk. Where's the laws and the BS for that?


#1. Your facts are wrong
http://www.iii.org/media/hottopics/insu ... ellphones/
"However, cell-phone use is far less likely to be the cause of a crash or near-miss than other distractions, according to the study. For example, while reaching for a moving object such as a falling cup increased the risk of a crash or near-crash by 9 times, talking or listening on a hand-held cell phone only increased the risk by 1.3 times."

"Inattentive driving accounted for 6.4 percent of crash fatalities in 2003 — the latest data available — according to the U.S. Department of Transportation. Inattentive driving includes talking, eating, putting on make up and attending to children. Using cell phones and other wireless or electronic units are also considered distractions."

Thus, cell phones, must represent less than 6 percent of crash fatalities.

Meanwhile.....


"During 2005, 16,885 people in the U.S. died in alcohol-related motor vehicle crashes, representing 39 percent of all traffic-related deaths."

#2 I don't know about moral outrage, nor do I really care, but legal limits on cell phone use are rapidly spreading.

I don't have the source at my side at 520am, but your stats are quite misleading. The classification process of an alcohol-related accident in no way whatsoever implies causal relationship. I'll hunt around for the data later today if i get a chance.
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Postby GotowarMissAgnes » Fri Mar 23, 2007 7:04 am

RugbyD wrote:I don't have the source at my side at 520am, but your stats are quite misleading. The classification process of an alcohol-related accident in no way whatsoever implies causal relationship. I'll hunt around for the data later today if i get a chance.


Go ahead. I did research on the impact of drunk driving laws of accidents and fatalities 20 years ago as a graduate student, so I know a bit about what you think the problems might be.
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Postby raiders_umpire » Fri Mar 23, 2007 7:50 am

I think that is enough editing for one morning, I am locking this thing up. :-t
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