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Postby Havok1517 » Wed Mar 21, 2007 10:18 pm

davidmarver wrote:
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BitterDodgerFan wrote:billingsley
You took mine!
That's exactly who I thought of. He is a converted starter who throws hard and is a top prospect. NOw they are moving him to the bullpen... sounds eerily similar to Zumaya (which is the only reason I haven't cut him).

i haven't seen him pitch, but i guess i'm surprised by no mention of control issues with a guy who walked as many as he K'd last season? he had a high walk rate even in the minors (3.7/9). looks like he's a GB pitcher (48% last season) so that certainly helps, but why should i be all over this guy considering his 1.67 WHIP last season? zumaya comparisons seem fair in that his walk rate has always been high, also (4.5/9 majors, 4.2/9 minors), but can you guys break billingsley down a bit more for me?

He beat the Padres in his debut if I remember correctly. His best two pitches -- which is really all you need as a reliever -- are a mid 90's two seamer and a slider. Yeah, his BB rate is high, but looking at Zumaya and Broxton, as you cited, you see that doesn't discount the possibility of Billingsley being a successful reliever this season. Hell, Broxton walked 12 in 13.2 innings in 2005, yet his 2006 was amazing. I think Billingsley could subsist as a reliever quite well in 2007, but with Saito and Broxton already at the chomping bit for saves, his only value would come in the ERA, maybe WHIP boost, and K rate. But for that to happen a lot has to go right, and I'm not sure the Dodgers are best off transforming him into a reliever.


Nah, Neshek's fastball peaks at 92 mph but usually hits in the 88-90 range.

I was talking about Billingsley, not Neshek. Billingsley hits 93-94 regularly. That's mid-90s in baseball terms.


Ah, my bad. But I atually think in order to pitch mid 90's you need to at least hit 95 (the actual middle of the 90's).
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Postby GotowarMissAgnes » Wed Mar 21, 2007 10:20 pm

HotCornR wrote:Anyone mention Pat Neshek with the Twins? I am big on him this year and he fits right into what you guys are talking about. He has had a bit of a tough spring, but I don't too much stock in spring #'s. Also, he has his coach in his corner which is great for any young pitcher...


I don't think anybody sees him as a surprise.
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Postby davidmarver » Wed Mar 21, 2007 10:34 pm

Havok1517 wrote:Ah, my bad. But I atually think in order to pitch mid 90's you need to at least hit 95 (the actual middle of the 90's).

Actually, the middle of the nineties is 94.5 MPH.

(90+91+92+93+94+95+96+97+98+99)/10 = 94.5

The lowest three values are 90-92, the middle four 93-96, and the upper three 97-99.
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Postby Havok1517 » Wed Mar 21, 2007 10:36 pm

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Havok1517 wrote:Ah, my bad. But I atually think in order to pitch mid 90's you need to at least hit 95 (the actual middle of the 90's).

Actually, the middle of the nineties is 94.5 MPH.

(90+91+92+93+94+95+96+97+98+99)/10 = 94.5

The lowest three values are 90-92, the middle four 93-96, and the upper three 97-99.


So by not hitting 94.5 or 95 mph (you stated he's hitting 94) it should be clear that that is not mid 90's. ;-D

Here ya go. Billingsley hitting 95 & 96 (can you believe it? jk) last year.

http://cbs.sportsline.com/mlb/gamecente ... 0615_LA@SD
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Postby davidmarver » Wed Mar 21, 2007 10:41 pm

Havok1517 wrote:
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Havok1517 wrote:Ah, my bad. But I atually think in order to pitch mid 90's you need to at least hit 95 (the actual middle of the 90's).

Actually, the middle of the nineties is 94.5 MPH.

(90+91+92+93+94+95+96+97+98+99)/10 = 94.5

The lowest three values are 90-92, the middle four 93-96, and the upper three 97-99.


So by not hitting 94.5 or 95 mph (you stated he's hitting 94) it should be clear that that is not mid 90's. ;-D

Actually, 94MPH is just as close to 94.5 as 95 is. By hitting the range of 93-96, the middle of the 90s, he certainly throws mid-90s. And judging by the fact that in 2007 he'll be used as a reliever -- meaning he's able to throw harder and not be required to reserve himself -- it's a lot better to qualify him as a mid-90s pitcher.
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Postby PlayingWithFire » Wed Mar 21, 2007 10:51 pm

Havok, you don't want to argue math with a former math major :-o
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Postby ttwarrior1 » Wed Mar 21, 2007 10:52 pm

surprise guy could be ryan madsen

yes he did have a high era but he has developed a new pitch and
he did get 10 wins and is eligible at sp/rp so you can stick him at sp and get extra holds and occassional win

I also like randy flores, mike gonzales, qualls, baez for holds
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Postby Havok1517 » Wed Mar 21, 2007 10:55 pm

PlayingWithFire wrote:Havok, you don't want to argue math with a former math major :-o


Well, 94 is still not mid 90's as he stated. 94.5 moh might be but he didn't state that Billingsley was throwing 94.5mph. Did he? Nope, so I'm right and marvel was wrong. But since I posted a link that Billingsley was throwing 95 & 96 last and marvel stated he threw 93 & 94...I disproved him again. lol just messing with you marvel.
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Postby davidmarver » Wed Mar 21, 2007 11:01 pm

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PlayingWithFire wrote:Havok, you don't want to argue math with a former math major :-o


Well, 94 is still not mid 90's as he stated. 94.5 moh might be but he didn't state that Billingsley was throwing 94.5mph. Did he? Nope, so I'm right and marvel was wrong. But since I posted a link that Billingsley was throwing 95 & 96 last and marvel stated he threw 93 & 94...I disproved him again. lol just messing with you marvel.

Havol --

95-96 is just as close to the middle point of the 90s as 93-94 is.

If I said I lived in the middle of California, that wouldn't mean I had to live exactly 38 miles east of Madera. The term middle refers to a range, just like if you sit in the middle of the movie theater, it just means you're in the center section.

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Postby Havok1517 » Wed Mar 21, 2007 11:13 pm

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PlayingWithFire wrote:Havok, you don't want to argue math with a former math major :-o


Well, 94 is still not mid 90's as he stated. 94.5 moh might be but he didn't state that Billingsley was throwing 94.5mph. Did he? Nope, so I'm right and marvel was wrong. But since I posted a link that Billingsley was throwing 95 & 96 last and marvel stated he threw 93 & 94...I disproved him again. lol just messing with you marvel.

Havol --

95-96 is just as close to the middle point of the 90s as 93-94 is.

If I said I lived in the middle of California, that wouldn't mean I had to live exactly 38 miles east of Madera. The term middle refers to a range, just like if you sit in the middle of the movie theater, it just means you're in the center section.

Havol, havol, havol...when will you learn?


Right, and all of the generalities would be wrong. If you said close to the middle of California then you would be correct. Just like you mispelling my member name. Havol is close to Havok but still not correct.

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