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Postby Guest » Thu Dec 04, 2003 6:06 pm

Sorry that I can't message you in another way, but how can you possibly say you like that the Yanks got Vazquez for Nick Johnson? I've read it on a lot of posts. As a Yankee fan, Nick Johnson's defense is entirely overrated. He made one good catch off Ortiz in the post-season, and that's seriously all I can remember. Plus, Nick has shown to be tremendously injury prone. Whenever he gets a nice streak going, that wrist gets something else wrong with it. He leans over the plate, so he's going to get beaned on it again, no doubt. I seriously don't see what you see in him that would make a Red Sox fan like you happy he's gone. I must be missing something. Nick was never of value to this team in the clutch. I see no reason why this deal for Javy wasn't a steal. Javy has brilliant stuff and I'm beyond thrilled we got him. I actually wanted him more than Schilling. Vazquez is young and is only getting better.
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Postby Transmogrifier » Fri Dec 05, 2003 12:57 am

I'll definitely answer your question, but it's midnight, and I'm going to bed. :-D

I'll get to it tomorrow a.m.
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Re: Hey Transmogrifier

Postby HOOTIE » Fri Dec 05, 2003 2:46 am

Anonymous wrote: Nick was never of value to this team in the clutch.


Don't cut Nick short. He hit 320 with runners on, with a 962 ops.
Using RC/27, he ranked 5th among 1b, better then Bagwell and Sexson to name some. Of course he needs the 600 abs to make RC/27 more meaningful, but it shows Nick can hit.
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Re: Hey Transmogrifier

Postby chinch sacs » Fri Dec 05, 2003 2:56 am

HOOTIE wrote:
Anonymous wrote: Nick was never of value to this team in the clutch.


Don't cut Nick short. He hit 320 with runners on, with a 962 ops.
Using RC/27, he ranked 5th among 1b, better then Bagwell and Sexson to name some. Of course he needs the 600 abs to make RC/27 more meaningful, but it shows Nick can hit.


RC/27??? Please explain this mathamatical equation that makes Nick Johnson better than Bagwell and Sexson.
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Re: Hey Transmogrifier

Postby HOOTIE » Fri Dec 05, 2003 3:31 am

chinch sacs wrote:
HOOTIE wrote:
Anonymous wrote: Nick was never of value to this team in the clutch.


Don't cut Nick short. He hit 320 with runners on, with a 962 ops.
Using RC/27, he ranked 5th among 1b, better then Bagwell and Sexson to name some. Of course he needs the 600 abs to make RC/27 more meaningful, but it shows Nick can hit.


RC/27??? Please explain this mathamatical equation that makes Nick Johnson better than Bagwell and Sexson.


RC/27 i explained in another post. I don't feel like reposting the formula, maybe MODS know how to post it here? If you note, i said it doesn't make him better, since he played far less, and created less runs. What it shows, if Nick posts those RC/27 numbers in 600 abs, then yes, he's basically Sexsons equal in real life runs created, (not fantasy).
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Re: Hey Transmogrifier

Postby LBJackal » Fri Dec 05, 2003 4:03 am

chinch sacs wrote:
HOOTIE wrote:
Anonymous wrote: Nick was never of value to this team in the clutch.


Don't cut Nick short. He hit 320 with runners on, with a 962 ops.
Using RC/27, he ranked 5th among 1b, better then Bagwell and Sexson to name some. Of course he needs the 600 abs to make RC/27 more meaningful, but it shows Nick can hit.


RC/27??? Please explain this mathamatical equation that makes Nick Johnson better than Bagwell and Sexson.


It's basically how many runs you create for your team, ie: if there were nine of a player on a team. He said that runs and RBI are dependant stats that go up or down based on other players. So RC/27 means how many runs one player would create over the course of a full game as the only player.
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Re: Hey Transmogrifier

Postby Transmogrifier » Fri Dec 05, 2003 10:47 am

HOOTIE wrote:
Anonymous wrote: Nick was never of value to this team in the clutch.


Don't cut Nick short. He hit 320 with runners on, with a 962 ops.
Using RC/27, he ranked 5th among 1b, better then Bagwell and Sexson to name some. Of course he needs the 600 abs to make RC/27 more meaningful, but it shows Nick can hit.


What he said! ^^ :-b

A few things I might add. His OBP was .422--which would have been third in the league, only behind Manny Ramirez and Delgado if he had more plate apperances. He had 324 at bats--which should go up with the Expos. Needless to say, this was better than all other Yankees--Giambi had a .412, Posada a .405, and Jeter a .393.

Johnson also averaged 4.3 pitches per plate appearance--which is amazing discipline. While Johnson didn't "qualify" because of only 96 games, no other non-qualified player (that played 90 games) or qualified player bettered him. Tom Wilson (96 games) tied him; Jeremy Giambi (50 games) bettered him with 4.4; and Jason Jones (40 games) bettered him with 4.5 (and had a .215 average). Other than that, the only other ones better than him played less than 40 games, and often less than 10.

Of those that qualified, the league leaders are Edgar Martinez and Frank Thomas (4.3), Jason Giambi (4.2), Johnny Damon, Rafael Palmeiro, David Ortiz and others (4.1). That's pretty good company.

But then again, you might say that he's injury prone. I can't argue he's had trouble. But he's done well and was a top Yankee prospect for three years or so. I bet with more consistent play, he'll get better. But from Hootie's stats plus his OBP, I think it shows that he is a player with great discipline who made that lineup much better.

They'll miss him. (And I don't need to get into the defensive aspect, do I?)
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Re: Hey Transmogrifier

Postby Transmogrifier » Fri Dec 05, 2003 10:53 am

Anonymous wrote:Sorry that I can't message you in another way


By the way, you should sign up, then you can send me private messages. ;-D

And Arlo might teach you the secret handshake, but here I am 1,900 posts in and I don't know it yet. :-D
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Postby Guest » Fri Dec 05, 2003 11:59 am

A few things I might add. His OBP was .422--which would have been third in the league, only behind Manny Ramirez and Delgado if he had more plate apperances. He had 324 at bats--which should go up with the Expos. Needless to say, this was better than all other Yankees--Giambi had a .412, Posada a .405, and Jeter a .393.

Johnson also averaged 4.3 pitches per plate appearance--which is amazing discipline. While Johnson didn't "qualify" because of only 96 games, no other non-qualified player (that played 90 games) or qualified player bettered him. Tom Wilson (96 games) tied him; Jeremy Giambi (50 games) bettered him with 4.4; and Jason Jones (40 games) bettered him with 4.5 (and had a .215 average). Other than that, the only other ones better than him played less than 40 games, and often less than 10.

Of those that qualified, the league leaders are Edgar Martinez and Frank Thomas (4.3), Jason Giambi (4.2), Johnny Damon, Rafael Palmeiro, David Ortiz and others (4.1). That's pretty good company.

But then again, you might say that he's injury prone. I can't argue he's had trouble. But he's done well and was a top Yankee prospect for three years or so. I bet with more consistent play, he'll get better. But from Hootie's stats plus his OBP, I think it shows that he is a player with great discipline who made that lineup much better.

They'll miss him. (And I don't need to get into the defensive aspect, do I?)


Lemme clarify. Sure, Nick Johnson is extremely patient, but I don't think his OBP makes him worth more than a stud pitcher like Javier Vazquez. Nick may have had good regular season numbers with runners on, but this guy choked in post-season. He wasn't clutch for us. Plus, I think trading him opens the door to signing a solid glove at 1B that we haven't had since Tino. I watch Nick play the field, and trust me, his defense was overrated.
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