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Postby HOOTIE » Thu Dec 04, 2003 3:20 pm

nsulham wrote:From MLB.com

Player TEAM AVG PA NP P/IP HLD GF K/BB BB/9 K/9 H9
1. B Zito
OAK .219 957 3747 16.17 0 0 1.60 3.42 5.67 7.23
2. J Vazquez
MON .229 938 3740 16.21 0 0 3.89 2.22 9.40 7.73
3. W Williams
STL .256 944 3645 16.52 0 1 2.68 2.24 6.24 8.97
4. R Halladay
TOR .247 1071 3628 13.60 0 0 6.18 1.08 6.90 8.56
5. L Hernandez
MON .253 967 3584 15.36 0 0 2.97 2.20 6.87 8.68
6. R Ortiz
ATL .223 912 3569 16.81 0 0 1.37 4.32 6.32 7.50
7. K Wood
CHC .203 887 3545 16.80 0 0 2.61 4.27 11.35 6.48
8. B Colon
CWS .248 984 3526 14.57 0 0 2.47 2.49 6.43 8.29
9. E Loaiza
CWS .233 922 3510 15.51 0 0 3.57 2.23 8.23 7.79
10. M Buehrle
CWS .278 978 3507 15.23 0 0 1.89 2.38 4.65 9.77
11. J Pineiro
SEA .241 890 3497 16.52 0 0 1.91 3.23 6.42 8.16
12. T Hudson
OAK .223 967 3496 14.57 0 0 2.31 2.29 6.08 7.39
13. K Millwood
PHI .250 930 3489 15.72 0 0 2.28 2.76 6.85 8.51
14. R Clemens
NYY .247 878 3457 16.33 0 0 3.22 2.47 8.08 8.46
15. J Moyer
SEA .246 897 3448 16.04 0 0 1.87 2.76 5.40 8.33
16. C Zambrano
CHC .239 907 3415 15.96 0 0 1.58 3.95 7.07 7.91
17. M Prior
CHC .231 863 3403 16.10 0 0 4.54 2.13 10.43 7.79


Oddly enough for all the heat Baker gets about overthrowing Prior, he's only 17th on the list :-?


Don't be fooled by that. Prior lead in pitches per start with 113.4. :-t Had he not be on dl, and had 3 more starts, he's likely 1st in total pitches. :~(
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Postby HOOTIE » Thu Dec 04, 2003 3:32 pm

Broncmet724 wrote:I would be willing to bet Halladay's numbers will drop, but Curt is getting up there in age, and Fenway isn't exactly the best park for a fly ball pitcher.


Curt isn't really a flyball pitcher. He's actually considered neutral. Career g/f ratio is 1.21.
Pedro who pitches in Fenway, has a career g/f ratio of 1.15. Pedro gives up slightly more flyballs, certaintly hasn't hurt him.
Boston's brass showed Curt it's not a big issue.
Fenway increases singles and doubles, but depresses hrs by quite alot.
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Postby HOOTIE » Thu Dec 04, 2003 3:40 pm

timkell wrote:I wouldn't worry about innings with Halladay. It's pitch count that matters. When he pitched that 10 inning game, he pitched less than 100 pitches!

He can pitch so many innings because he's crazy efficient.

He's definitely a top pick for starter for me.

Is there a site that will tell us pitch counts for every start?


It certaintly helps being effecient. But he's still way, way up there in total pitches.

Abuse can come in different ways.
Extreme pitch counts in games, but they still could have a low pitch total due to fewer starts.

Nice pitch counts per game, but very high total pitches.
Roy is a stud, but i think everything went right for him last year. Still a stud, but a possible decline.

TIMKELL Go here and click on pitchers. Once you pull up the pitcher, click on game log.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/statistics
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Postby DK » Thu Dec 04, 2003 3:44 pm

I'm not worried about Halladay for next year. The top 5 will be Prior, Pedro, Halladay, Schmidt, and Mulder.
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Postby HOOTIE » Thu Dec 04, 2003 3:46 pm

Halladay's given name
Harry Leroy Halladay :-°
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Postby DK » Thu Dec 04, 2003 3:47 pm

HOOTIE wrote:Halladay's given name
Harry Leroy Halladay :-°


No wonder he calls himself Roy. :D
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Postby Madison » Thu Dec 04, 2003 3:54 pm

DK wrote:
HOOTIE wrote:Halladay's given name
Harry Leroy Halladay :-°


No wonder he calls himself Roy. :D


His initials are HAH. :-D Lol. :-b
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Postby DK » Thu Dec 04, 2003 3:57 pm

Madison wrote:
DK wrote:
HOOTIE wrote:Halladay's given name
Harry Leroy Halladay :-°


No wonder he calls himself Roy. :D


His initials are HAH. :-D Lol. :-b


Hah! :D
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Postby HOOTIE » Thu Dec 04, 2003 3:58 pm

DK wrote:I'm not worried about Halladay for next year. The top 5 will be Prior, Pedro, Halladay, Schmidt, and Mulder.


Nice list. ;-)
Pedro and Prior for sure. I still like Zito. And Schilling and RJ could be back in top 5.
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Postby DK » Thu Dec 04, 2003 3:59 pm

HOOTIE wrote:
DK wrote:I'm not worried about Halladay for next year. The top 5 will be Prior, Pedro, Halladay, Schmidt, and Mulder.


Nice list. ;-)
Pedro and Prior for sure. I still like Zito. And Schilling and RJ could be back in top 5.


Zito needs run support. Schil could easily claw back into the top 5 with that offense and his skill. And RJ is a menace, he's mad and that's good. RJ will be a top pitcher next year (although maybe not top 5), mark my words.
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