Reinstate Rose: Would You Be "Elated?"

[RocketsDWM]

HOF - No.

If he had just admitted all of this early on, baseball (and a majority of the fans) would have forgiven him and his ban might have only been for 10 yrs or so. But he denied it. He is only admitting it to sell more books.

And does everyone honestly think that he only bet on his Reds? Really? Never on the opposition? I doubt it? When his star pitcher wasnt pitching - he bet on the Reds? When his star hitter was out of the lineup - he bet on the Reds? Sorry Rose. You lied once and you will lie about your gambling again.

And the HOF should include character as a clause. Kids look up to these players as role models and they need to be outstanding citizens as well as talented athletes. What kind of message are we sending if we allow bad character players in? Yeah, Cobbs is in. But its time to change the standards. And wasnt the character clause added after Cobb?

[Gozirra]

ART---Thanks for making me laugh...


"Always choose the difficult right over the easy wrong."
Marine Corps Officer Training

[RocketsDWM]

Just read through the thread...some peoples comments are quite hypocritical

[Gozirra]

This is an interesting subject because it shows what situational morality is all about. If we were talking about some guy like Bagwell who was a great player but didn't hold arguably the most significant baseball record...no one would bother.

Rose didn't make a mistake, he made a choice.
He could have fed his gambing habit in a million ways but he chose baseball.
Rose knew the rules and the possible consequences but he broke them over and over.

Had he done all the right things afterward, we wouldn't be having this discussion. He didn't want to give in and embarrass himself.

All he had to do was seek treatment, apologize and basically throw himself on the mercy of the sport. Those things tell people that you are truly sorry but he did nothing but lie over and over to cover his own ass. Those are the actions of someone who feels he is bigger than the game. He was given a shovel and he just kept on digging. I don't make a habit of feeling sorry for people who continuously flick their noses at the rest of us.
The big 3 sports should really take a lesson from the PGA. Show some damn integrity and sportsmanship.

[Doughhead]

Makes no difference if he bet on his own team or against his own team. THE MAN BET ON BASEBALL WHILE HE WAS A MANAGER!!! It's not any more complicated than that. There were rules in place that said if you bet on the game while in MLB you get a lifetime ban. It's a black and white issue, there is no gray area here. Just because he happens to hold a record doesn't change the rule.

What's that saying about the fool who ignores history?

It's disconcerting to see how so many interested baseball people are so quick to forgive the greatest baseball sin. There's a very good reason why gambling is a particularly sensitive issue for baseball. This one is cut and dry. The game was very nearly destroyed by the kind of activity that Rose was guility of. Why in the world should baseball grant him its greatest honour? It's not about being self-righteous and rigid--it's about putting the game and its integrity above all individuals (no matter how talented, accomplished, or popular they may have been).

[thedude]

Makes no difference if he bet on his own team or against his own team. THE MAN BET ON BASEBALL WHILE HE WAS A MANAGER!!! It's not any more complicated than that. There were rules in place that said if you bet on the game while in MLB you get a lifetime ban. It's a black and white issue, there is no gray area here. Just because he happens to hold a record doesn't change the rule.

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Well put. Justice is blind.