AdvRider wrote:Rose absolutely belongs in the Hall of Fame IMHO. No played nuts to the wall every instant he was on the field -- all out, no holds barred, driven to win. Rose's taking out Ray Fosse in the 1970 All-Star game is a classic moment in MLB history.
Unfortunately there are enough self-righteous haters (who themselves have never committed a wrong, told a lie, or fallen victim to some vice) out there to keep the all-time hits leader out of the Hall of Fame. At least for now.
I am all for second chances, except when it sets a precedent that could potenially damage the game.
"I do not think baseball of today is any better than it was 30 years ago... I still think Radbourne is the greatest of the pitchers." John Sullivan 1914-Old athletes never change.
AdvRider wrote:How o how could betting on your own team while managing "compromise the integrity of the game?"
Is this your entry in the "Ask a question with a blatantly obvious answer" competition? If so I think you may win.
AdvRider wrote:Unfortunately there are enough self-righteous haters (who themselves have never committed a wrong, told a lie, or fallen victim to some vice) out there to keep the all-time hits leader out of the Hall of Fame. At least for now.
Now, let's not resort to name-calling. It's called being responsible. Nobody's claiming to be perfect, but I for one expect there to be consequences for my actions. If I make an error or wrong somebody, I will not whine and say "what, didn't you ever screw up? You self-righteous hater". I'll acknowledge what I did was wrong and accept whatever consequences may come like a man. Why can't Pete?
Even if Rose only bet on the Reds to win while managing them, that's bad enough for a lifetime ban. If I have 10,000 dollars on my team to win, I'll pull out all the stops. I'll put Santana in for the 9th inning even if it means he won't do as well in 3 starts. I may push my starter harder than usual.
In effect, I'll treat it like a playoff game. I'll burn my bullpen. I'll do whatever it takes to win.
Whatever we may think, they don't try and win every game. They can't. In baseball, you have to look at the next 5 games because what happens in this one defines what happens in those.
TheRock wrote:Not sure what you're missing here...
- Pete Rose bets against his team... - As the manager of said team, he goes out and ensures that they lose.
What's your question?
How o how could betting on your own team while managing "compromise the integrity of the game?"
ON your own team -- not against it.
Maybe you missed the news, but Rose stated he bet on his team -- to win -- every game. That's what we're talking about here.
Pete Rose: 'I bet on my team every night'BRISTOL, Conn., March 14 (UPI) -- Pete Rose Wednesday admitted he bet on his own team nightly while managing the Cincinnati Reds.
"I bet on my team every night," admitted baseball's all-time hit leader in an interview on ESPN Radio. "I made a big mistake. It's my fault. It's nobody else's fault. Still, I believe I'm the best ambassador baseball has. I bet on my team to win every night because I love my team. I was wrong, but I believed in my team. I had so much confidence in my team, and what did that make me do? I did everything in my power every night to win that game."
He has previously admitted he bet on the Reds, but not that he bet on every game.
Obviously it compromises the integrity of the game if he bets against his own team. That's not the case, as far as anyone knows.
I would gamble, the odds of Pete Rose still betting on baseball to this day are close to 75%. It is an addiction that few rarely get over.
I had an Uncle that did not leave the house in the morning without 2 or 3 thousand 'down', everyday! He doesn't do that anymore of course, because the odds clearly weren't in his favor and he lost pretty much everything. But you know what, he still bets on baseball. everyday.
just not so much money.
I have a hunch that Pete still bets the games too.