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Postby Yoda » Wed Mar 14, 2007 1:11 pm

deerayfan072 wrote:Maybe that was the article, but i don't think so it was an in depth article somewhere, i am not retarded enough to listen to one random guy, i know what i am doing, i read PETCO and BA and BP. I was just pointing one thing out that i think got blown out of proportion, proabably by my writing since i wasn't clear. Anyway like i said i definetly agree with you last statement


I think your initial comparison of Kemp to Pedro Cerrano is probably what spurred on this debate.

In any case, a ton of prospects have problems with off speed pitches. Hell, a ton of star MLB players have problems with off speed pitches. See Andruw Jones and his propensity to swing at every breaking ball down and away from the K zone. He did that for years and still put up great numbers.

The point is, it's way too early to say so and so can or can't hit breaking balls. But I know one thing. If he really couldn't hit a breaking ball, then he couldn't possibly put up those numbers at AA/AAA as a 21 yo.
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Postby deerayfan072 » Wed Mar 14, 2007 1:16 pm

Yoda wrote:
deerayfan072 wrote:Maybe that was the article, but i don't think so it was an in depth article somewhere, i am not retarded enough to listen to one random guy, i know what i am doing, i read PETCO and BA and BP. I was just pointing one thing out that i think got blown out of proportion, proabably by my writing since i wasn't clear. Anyway like i said i definetly agree with you last statement


I think your initial comparison of Kemp to Pedro Cerrano is probably what spurred on this debate.
In any case, a ton of prospects have problems with off speed pitches. Hell, a ton of star MLB players have problems with off speed pitches. See Andruw Jones and his propensity to swing at every breaking ball down and away from the K zone. He did that for years and still put up great numbers.

The point is, it's way too early to say so and so can or can't hit breaking balls. But I know one thing. If he really couldn't hit a breaking ball, then he couldn't possibly put up those numbers at AA/AAA as a 21 yo.



Oh, oops my bad
It was a joke, not a real comparison just using it as a funny reference :-/
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Postby SignGuy » Wed Mar 14, 2007 1:37 pm

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thedude wrote:There is nothing in the numbers to prove that he cannot hit a curveball. Where did you hear that he had this problem?


I can't remember, it was last year. There was an article about it i read. Like i said i do doubt his long term vakue he dominated the minors and is still young. I was just saying don't expect the domination this year as he has something to work on


I imagine what you are recalling are the numerous comments in rotoworld, who knocked Kemp's ability to hit breaking pitches FOUR times in his first month. No real baseball source for that comment. In fact, the Dodgers have emphaiszed the issue is Kemp's ability to play a decent CF, which is why they got Pierre, and have him playing more corner OF.

Ask me which I would believe:Kemp's demonstrated ability to make adjustments and improve as he played professional ball or some anonymous rotoworld commenter.


Shandlers player capsule in the Forecaster says the same thing. He DOES have problems with the breaking ball, but its not as serious where the kid isnt going to have major league success. I like Ethier more than him fwiw.

And how many major league pitchers have a decent curve these days? Not many.


That is just silly. i know you dont believe that
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Postby SignGuy » Wed Mar 14, 2007 1:41 pm

GotowarMissAgnes wrote:
deerayfan072 wrote:In no way did i say his long term value is crap. I was merely point out he has some work to do


Well, no, you said he can't hit a curve ball and has a hole a mile wide in his swing.

I don't think there's ANY good evidence that this is true.


Yes there is. When he started getting a steady diet of breaking pitches, he didnt do as well. this is all from visual scouting ie watching plenty of Dodger games. I agree that its getting blown way out of proportion and some fine tuning that i believe he can make will make him better, but as of last year, Matt Kemp had problems with breaking pitches. I do like him
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Postby GotowarMissAgnes » Wed Mar 14, 2007 1:43 pm

[quote="deerayfan072
Maybe that was the article, but i don't think so it was an in depth article somewhere, i am not retarded enough to listen to one random guy, i know what i am doing, i read PETCO and BA and BP. I was just pointing one thing out that i think got blown out of proportion, proabably by my writing since i wasn't clear. Anyway like i said i definetly agree with you last statement[/quote]

Fair enough. I probably over-reacted.
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Postby deerayfan072 » Wed Mar 14, 2007 1:45 pm

GotowarMissAgnes wrote:[quote="deerayfan072
Maybe that was the article, but i don't think so it was an in depth article somewhere, i am not retarded enough to listen to one random guy, i know what i am doing, i read PETCO and BA and BP. I was just pointing one thing out that i think got blown out of proportion, proabably by my writing since i wasn't clear. Anyway like i said i definetly agree with you last statement


Fair enough. I probably over-reacted.[/quote]

Cool, like i said i think my writing contributed to that b/c after i went back and read it i wasn't clear and i even disagreed with myself when i read the context :*) ;-D
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Postby The Loveable Losers » Wed Mar 14, 2007 1:49 pm

SignGuy wrote:
GotowarMissAgnes wrote:
deerayfan072 wrote:In no way did i say his long term value is crap. I was merely point out he has some work to do


Well, no, you said he can't hit a curve ball and has a hole a mile wide in his swing.

I don't think there's ANY good evidence that this is true.


Yes there is. When he started getting a steady diet of breaking pitches, he didnt do as well. this is all from visual scouting ie watching plenty of Dodger games. I agree that its getting blown way out of proportion and some fine tuning that i believe he can make will make him better, but as of last year, Matt Kemp had problems with breaking pitches. I do like him


Exactly. He's a good player who had great minor league success. But projecting 20/20 for a guy in his first full season is a bold prediction. Given his problem with breaking pitches I'd simply temper the short-term expectations and look more in the 15 or 16 range for both categories assuming full-time status. Long-term I think he'll be fine...he's got so much athletic talent I can't imagine he doesn't correct any problems he has with curve balls.
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Postby stumpak » Wed Mar 14, 2007 3:27 pm

I hate reading this tread since it reminds me what an idiot Colletti is for pissing away god know how much money on Juan Pierre and is microscopic OPS and washed up old man Luis Gonzalez. Sure there is risk to Kemp, but why not roll the dice and invest the Pierre and Gonzalez money to fill a bigger hole? And is Kemp really any less polished than Betemit at 3B? Thanks Frank McCourt for hiring a Sabean disciple.
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Postby The Loveable Losers » Wed Mar 14, 2007 4:10 pm

stumpak wrote:I hate reading this tread since it reminds me what an idiot Colletti is for pissing away god know how much money on Juan Pierre and is microscopic OPS and washed up old man Luis Gonzalez. Sure there is risk to Kemp, but why not roll the dice and invest the Pierre and Gonzalez money to fill a bigger hole? And is Kemp really any less polished than Betemit at 3B? Thanks Frank McCourt for hiring a Sabean disciple.


Pierre I'm ok with...but Gonzalez? I've got to agree, let Kemp sink or swim rather than pay Gonzalez.
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Postby samjerky » Wed Mar 14, 2007 4:13 pm

I disagree. I don't think you want to rely on Kemp this year and I think the Pierre signing was OK. Next year LA is going to have a ton of young players in there, so they will be able to afford a trade. Loney, Kemp, Ethier, Martin - I really think they're in a good position. So take a deep breath, things will turn out better than you think, and I think you're really under-rating Coletti. The Dodgers are the new Braves right now ... they won't win many championships, but they'll always be at the top. Guaranteed.
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