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Postby DieHardCubbie » Wed Dec 03, 2003 8:07 pm

NY Times wrote: A Big Deal? The Yankees Still Aren't There Yet
By RAFAEL HERMOSO

Published: December 3, 2003


he Yankees remained active yesterday, continuing efforts to collect arms for what will be a very expensive bullpen and making other minor moves. But they have yet to make a big deal, certainly not one that would rival Boston's acquisition of Curt Schilling, and the one headline-generating move that seemed closest to completion has encountered at least a little bit of turbulence.

Issues have developed in the negotiations between the free-agent outfielder Gary Sheffield and the Yankees, one baseball official with knowledge of the talks said yesterday, and a deal that was essentially a certainty only days ago now has to clear a few hurdles.

George Steinbrenner, the Yankees' principal owner, is handling the negotiations and,< problem on Monday, he met at the team's Tampa complex with the slugging Sheffield and his agent, Rufus Williams. On Tuesday, the three met again at the complex, according to The Associated Press.

The same baseball official said that after Monday's meeting, the two sides remained significantly apart over the length of a contract and the money. While it had been believed that Sheffield, 35, and the Yankees would agree on a three-year deal, he has been seeking more — a guarantee that would cover at least a fourth year and possibly a fifth one, too. The Yankees proposed adding an option year as a compromise but, at least initially, that was not enough to secure a deal.

Sheffield could merely be playing hard to get, knowing that Steinbrenner is perhaps desperate to make a major move quickly to offset the publicity the Red Sox generated in obtaining Schilling. And the Yankees would be better served by signing Sheffield after Sunday, the deadline for his previous team, the Atlanta Braves, to offer him salary arbitration. Any other team that signs Sheffield before then, or after if he is offered arbitration, would surrender a first-round draft pick as compensation. If the Braves do not offer arbitration, the Yankees can sign him without losing a draft pick.

On the other hand, it is not clear how much leverage Sheffield has. Atlanta is the only other team believed to have made him an offer.


Looks like the two sides are further apart than what they want to admit... :-?
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Postby Transmogrifier » Wed Dec 03, 2003 8:13 pm

hmmm. He'll still sign, but they'll add more money and maybe one more year. If they add a fifth, this deal becomes very, very bad for the Yankees longterm.
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Postby wrveres » Wed Dec 03, 2003 8:16 pm

this is called stalling ... they can't sign him now, cus' then all Atlanta has to do is offer him arbitation. They are waiting until Monday.
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Postby Transmogrifier » Wed Dec 03, 2003 8:18 pm

wrveres wrote:this is called stalling ... they can't sign him now, cus' then all Atlanta has to do is offer him arbitation. They are waiting until Monday.


But we all knew they were waiting until after the 7th. The deal was reported as "finished" but they were waiting. Now the story is that it's not finished. I don't think this is just stalling.
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Postby DieHardCubbie » Wed Dec 03, 2003 8:26 pm

Transmogrifier wrote:But we all knew they were waiting until after the 7th. The deal was reported as "finished" but they were waiting. Now the story is that it's not finished. I don't think this is just stalling.


I agree...I think this is a little more than stalling....saying they remain "significantly apart" doesn't bode well right now....but I do still think he will sign.....
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Postby wrveres » Wed Dec 03, 2003 8:27 pm

Why would the Yankees leak rumor of a snag? Because if the Braves believe a Sheffield deal with New York has been agreed upon, then the Braves could safely offer Sheffield arbitration by Sunday's deadline.

If the Braves offer him arbitration, the Yankees would have to give them a first-round draft pick as compensation for signing Sheffield.

But if the Braves don't offer arbitration to Sheffield, the Yankees wouldn't have to give up a draft pick for signing him.


what is so hard to understand.... there has to be a 'snag' ......we have 4 more days....
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Postby DieHardCubbie » Wed Dec 03, 2003 8:33 pm

It is not hard to understand....but the thing is...with a snag or not...the Braves could still offer arbitration and the Yankees would still lose the pick....If the Braves have any serious desire to keep him...then they would offer arbitration either way....and force the Yankees hand....
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Postby wrveres » Wed Dec 03, 2003 8:37 pm

DieHardCubbie wrote:It is not hard to understand....but the thing is...with a snag or not...the Braves could still offer arbitration and the Yankees would still lose the pick....If the Braves have any serious desire to keep him...then they would offer arbitration either way....and force the Yankees hand....




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There doen't have to be a deal in place ... Just the apperance of a deal in place. He will easily get 15 million in arbitration, the Braves don't want to spend that. If they are confident that NYY has him underwraps, what is the risk in offering him arbitration? But if there is a 'Snag' .... four days before the arbitration deadline, the Braves probably won't offer it too him ....
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Postby DieHardCubbie » Wed Dec 03, 2003 8:39 pm

I see your point wrveres.....but I still think this maybe more than stalling.... ;-)

He will sign though......
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Postby wrveres » Wed Dec 03, 2003 8:51 pm

DieHardCubbie wrote:He will sign though......


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