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Postby ScrappyDoo » Tue Mar 13, 2007 11:37 am

I just joined a CBS Points league with a $500 first prize, which I would very much like to win.

The point system is a little different.

APP - Appearances 1 point
CG - Complete Games 5 points
INN - Innings 1 point
K - Strikeouts (Pitcher) 1 point
NH - No-Hitters 30 points
PG - Perfect Games 50 points
S - Saves 5 points
W - Wins 10 points

1B - Singles 1 point
2B - Doubles 2 points
3B - Triples 3 points
BB - Walks (Batters) 1 point
CYC - Hitting for the Cycle 10 points
GSHR - Grand Slam Home Runs 5 points
HP - Hit by Pitch 1 point
HR - Home Runs 4 points
R - Runs 1 point
RBI - Runs Batted In 1 point
SB - Stolen Bases 1 point

Now the odd part of the league are the rules regarding the pitching. Relievers are basically worthless because saves are only worth 5. But thats not what Im trying to exploit.

The main rule that is odd is the fact that we are only allowed to have 6 starts a week. If you had a SP start a 7th game than not only do you lose the points from the 7th start but you also lose your highest scoring player for the week. So messing up with SP can cost you dearly.

But if you look at the pitching points and ignore the perfect game, and no hitters. Then pitchers scored almost nothing.

Say you have Santana, and he does his usual 1 APP, 8 IP, 1ER, 4 H, 10 K, 2 BB and the win. That would net you 25 points.

Say Holiday has a week where he hits 3 HR, scores 8 Runs, 10 RBI, 4 BB, 3 2B, 4 1B, and a HBP, thats 45 points. Now I know thats a great week. But look at the difference. Santana had a great start and yet it can only count as 1/6th of your pitching points for the week without counting the scraps your 1 RP will provide.

So my point is Should I try and trade my upper tier pitchers and bench players to stack my offense even more and rely on sleepers and lower tier pitchers every week.

Please let me know what you think. Heres what my team looks like. 10 team league. As you can see my offense is stacked already.

C- Estrada
1B- Morneau
2B- Weeks/F. Lopez
SS- Jeter
3B- A-Rod
OF- Vlad
OF- Holiday
OF- Pierre
Util- Chipper

SP- Sheets
SP- Lackey
SP- Kazmir
SP- Harang
RP- Putz
P- J. Patterson
P- R. Hill

Bench- Cuddyer, Baldelli, D. Bush, Lidge, Lily, F. Lopez, Kearns, Billingsley, T. Gordon
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Postby Art Vandelay » Tue Mar 13, 2007 12:11 pm

Unless there are negative categories for pitchers that you didn't mention, your hypothetical Santana start would be worth more than 25 points.
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Postby ScrappyDoo » Tue Mar 13, 2007 12:14 pm

your right, i used scoring from another league, it would actually be 29.
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Postby Art Vandelay » Tue Mar 13, 2007 12:26 pm

Sorry, I meant to also answer your question. Anyway, It looks like offensive players are more valuable than pitchers, but a pitcher who makes two quality starts in a week could easily score 45-50 points under that system. Your team is pretty stacked, but you'll have to figure out the difference between a replacement offensive player and a replacement pitcher. If you upgrade someone like Pierre to an OF who may score you an additional 10 points a week, you may get 15 fewer points a week from the pitcher you'd use in place of a Lackey or Kazmir.
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Postby ScrappyDoo » Tue Mar 13, 2007 1:39 pm

These are the top 20 pitchers and batters projected by CBS under our scoring. At first glace, they appear to be even, but we are only allowed 6 starts every week. Which would cut into the overall point values for their entire season. Every point from the batters would do into your weekly scoring where sometimes you would miss two start weeks.

Does this make sense, or am I confusing myself?

Santana, Johan 720.0
Zambrano, Carlos 656.0
Peavy, Jake 654.0
Myers, Brett 648.0
Beckett, Josh 643.0
Carpenter, Chris 643.0
Oswalt, Roy SP 641.0
Bonderman, Jeremy 635.0
Harang, Aaron 631.0
Lackey, John 629.0
Webb, Brandon 628.0
Halladay, Roy 622.0
Zito, Barry 618.0
Arroyo, Bronson 611.0
Sheets, Ben 602.0


Pujols, Albert 756.0
Ortiz, David 725.0
Howard, Ryan 712.0
Hafner, Travis 672.0
Cabrera, Miguel 671.0
Teixeira, Mark 670.0
Utley, Chase 668.0
Rodriguez, Alex 667.0
Sizemore, Grady 661.0
Berkman, Lance 650.0
Dunn, Adam 647.0
Beltran, Carlos 645.0
Bay, Jason 642.0
Jones, Andruw 639.0
Reyes, Jose 634.0
Wright, David 632.0
Soriano, Alfonso 629.0
Atkins, Garrett 628.0
Ramirez, Manny 626.0
Morneau, Justin 620.0
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Postby darb48824 » Tue Mar 13, 2007 3:24 pm

Get your math out of here. Math has nothing to do with baseball or fantasy. Too many numbers never come back.

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Postby EugeneStyles » Tue Mar 13, 2007 3:41 pm

That seems to say to me that you should try to get 3 stud SP's and start them all the time, then maybe a couple sleepers and only spot start them in order to get up to 6. Put in relievers for the rest of your spots. If the league has a lot of SP slots, look for relievers that qualify as starters, like Pineiro, Wood, umm... can't think of others off the top of my head, but there are a few other good ones.
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Postby Nerfherders » Tue Mar 13, 2007 4:22 pm

Wow.. those are crazy categories. 5 points for a grandslam? weird!

Anyways, since the performance of the pitchers makes no difference, I would load up on relief pitchers. Get 3 starters and the rest relievers, including a couple SP->RP's. Youll get 2 points for every inning of RP work and you wont have to worry about going over. The average RP goes about 3 times a week and pitches an inning per outing. 4 RP = 24 plus maybe 18 more for K's. That's 42 points out of those 4 spots without wins or saves. Keep enough starters so you can do 2-starts on 3 guys and you should be good to go.
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Postby fbc_fan » Tue Mar 13, 2007 4:48 pm

is there anything to stop you from churning? something like moves limit? if there isn't i would highly consider churning and just picking the 2 or 3 best matchups of the day. wins are worth 10 points so this might be viable as there are no drawbacks in the form of negative points. i don't personally like this idea, but if it isn't punished, why not.

the RP idea is also good.
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Postby ScrappyDoo » Tue Mar 13, 2007 4:57 pm

I probably should have mentioned this but, we are only allowed to start 1 RP, which is ridiculous i know. You should have seen the draft, i got Putz in the 20th or something.

Im thinking of offering like Morneau, Baldelli, and Kazmir for Ortiz and someone of lesser value. I dont really need Kazmir, because pitching isnt as valuable and Ill be able to get value from him because a lot of people are big on him. Baldelli isnt as valuable because steals are only 1 point, the same as a single, a walk, or a HBP.

Id replace Baldelli with Cuddyer, and Ortiz over Morneau would be a huge improvement because the league favors power hitters so much more.
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