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Which of these is the best prospect?

Homer Bailey
8
17%
Phillip Hughes
26
57%
Tim Linecum
12
26%
 
Total votes : 46

Postby PlayingWithFire » Thu Mar 15, 2007 12:20 pm

thedude wrote:
PlayingWithFire wrote:I'll give you some reason why Lincecum isn't a bad idea here

1)Both Bailey and Hughes sucked horribly in the spring training, lincecum is okay

2)Bailey pitchs for the Reds, Hughes pitches for the Yankees. Reds haven't developed a starting pitcher in forever and AL East is rough.

3)Lincecum pitch in the worst division in baseball offensively

4)There's really no complete proof that Bailey or Hughes are even better pitchers at this point.


Well Spring stats are more than pointless.

Licecum also has to pitch in Coors and Chase Field (though his home ball park is nice).

Bailey and Hughes have pitched above very well above A ball (Lincecum only has less than 32 pro-innings).

I love Licecum's potenial. But here are the things i hate:

1) his size. There are reasons why scouts hate small guys like Lincecum. They break down much too frequently. What percentage of the American population is 5-10 or less? (most people). Now what percentage of the American population is 6-4 or taller? (very few). Now what percent of MLB pitchers are 5-10 or less? What percent are 6-4 or taller?

2) His college pitch counts. He pitched over 342 innings in college and, according to baseball america, many of his outings had pitch counts in excess of 120 pitches. Compare that to a guy like Lester (who is about the same age). How many 120 pitch outtings did the Red Sox let him have? Zero.


Hughes has to pitch in Fenway, Yankee stadium. But that's not the point. AL East hitters can really kill you, NL west...eh, not so often.

How many 5-10 or less people are athletic enough to throw hard, how many 6-4 and above people?
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Postby dclark0699 » Fri Mar 16, 2007 9:29 pm

05worldserieschamps wrote:I don't think Lincecum's size is a reason to discredit him. I think he is comparable to Roy Oswalt.


Lincecum is 5'9"...generously listed at 5'10"......Oswalt is 6'0"
He is 160 pounds....25 pounds lighter than Oswalt...and somehow he throws a significant amount harder. That kind of stress on his arm and body is a definite red flag. I think he has dominant Paplebon-like closer written all over him...and the Giants could use that.
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Postby High Heater » Fri Mar 16, 2007 9:51 pm

i'd find it awefully hard to rank Lincecum over either Bailey or Hughes...

i mean thats just getting a little ridiculous at this point.
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Postby PlayingWithFire » Sat Mar 17, 2007 12:23 am

High Heater wrote:i'd find it awefully hard to rank Lincecum over either Bailey or Hughes...

i mean thats just getting a little ridiculous at this point.


why so. Honestly, how many pitcher succeed in the AL East. I really don't care how much talent they have. What I care about is the numbers they'll give me.
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Postby 05worldserieschamps » Sat Mar 17, 2007 9:18 am

Hughes is the best pitcher of the three. Lincecum, regardless of division, still dosen't match up to Hughes or Bailey.
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Postby sagecoll » Sat Mar 17, 2007 10:28 am

The reason you pick Hughes is not only because of the numbers but because both Lincecum and Bailey will have bad arm problems. If you don't believe me about Bailey (because I think we're all in agreement about Lincecum) than look at his arm action, it is almost identical to that Mark Prior elbow snap motion. Prior's just one example of how pitchers who create an M with their body and snap their elbow end up having arm problems. That being said, Phil Hughes does indeed have perfect mechanics
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Postby PlayingWithFire » Sat Mar 17, 2007 2:12 pm

sagecoll wrote:The reason you pick Hughes is not only because of the numbers but because both Lincecum and Bailey will have bad arm problems. If you don't believe me about Bailey (because I think we're all in agreement about Lincecum) than look at his arm action, it is almost identical to that Mark Prior elbow snap motion. Prior's just one example of how pitchers who create an M with their body and snap their elbow end up having arm problems. That being said, Phil Hughes does indeed have perfect mechanics


You need me to find articles talking about Lincecum's or Prior's "perfect mechanics"?
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Postby 05worldserieschamps » Sat Mar 17, 2007 5:13 pm

Yeah, if you are comparing his mechanics to Priors, thats more of a compliment.
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Postby SignGuy » Sat Mar 17, 2007 5:53 pm

PlayingWithFire wrote:
High Heater wrote:i'd find it awefully hard to rank Lincecum over either Bailey or Hughes...

i mean thats just getting a little ridiculous at this point.


why so. Honestly, how many pitcher succeed in the AL East. I really don't care how much talent they have. What I care about is the numbers they'll give me.


Halladay, Clemens, Pettite, Wang, Burnett, Schilling, Bedard, Mussina and plenty of others.....

Lincecum has yet to play above A ball. Hughes has already DESTROYED AA. its not fair to put Licecum higher at this point. he could be better, but right now hes not. not too montion hughes is two years younger. i like lincecum but there is no argument that can put him above hughes or bailey.

And if you want to talk about numbers, the giants offense is TERRIBLE and so is their bullpen. Hughes should easily trump him in wins and WHIP because lincecum tends to walk alot and isnt very efficient yet. I think Lincecum is a superb pitching prospect but you cant rank him in front of hughes
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Postby sagecoll » Sat Mar 17, 2007 7:49 pm

in reality, prior doesnt. greg maddux has perfect mechanics


the biggest thing with prior and other guys that throw like this:

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what hes doing is called an "inverted w" or an "m", he also lands on the heel of his foot.


i beg you to find one starting pitcher that throws like that with a long injury free career. the only exceptions are relievers because they wont chalk up as many innings. for example, billy wagner. but now he has the injuries.

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maddux, ryan, clemens, etc, all throw the same way



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Also look a other guys who have had arm problems (Adam Miller/Liriano)

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Yet notice Hughes
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Oh and Lincecum as well as Bailey

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Furthermore

Tom Seaver
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Steve Carlton
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Johan
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I hope this shows you a little about mechanics and judging pitchers
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