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Postby Niffoc4 » Sun Mar 11, 2007 11:17 pm

Yeah I'll probably only spot start him (no Yankees or Red Sox) at the beginning, which (hopefully) will bring his ERA lower than it would be otherwise.
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Postby shady81 » Sun Mar 11, 2007 11:32 pm

I disagree with the wins but thats just a matter of opinion. I still say 12-14, the O's were able to pull 9 wins out for Cabrera and he had 104 walks in only 148 innings. Seeing that both of these guys will be pitching for a full year (170-200 innings) I thinkboth of them should be able to atleast win 12 games because our offense is better then it was last year (maybe not by much, but it is)
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Postby GotowarMissAgnes » Mon Mar 12, 2007 9:27 am

shady81 wrote:I disagree with the wins but thats just a matter of opinion. I still say 12-14, the O's were able to pull 9 wins out for Cabrera and he had 104 walks in only 148 innings. Seeing that both of these guys will be pitching for a full year (170-200 innings) I thinkboth of them should be able to atleast win 12 games because our offense is better then it was last year (maybe not by much, but it is)


Of course it's opinion.

I agree that
if the offense improves and
if he stays healthy and pitches a full season and
if our bullpen is better than last year and
if his ERA is around 4.00
then Loewen could win around 14, close to what Bedard had last year.

But, when you have to string together 4 ifs to get to your top end prediction, I think backing off on that is realistic. Yes, Loewen could do that. But, what is he likely to do?

Looking at his comparables and recent history for young pitchers, an improvement in his ERA of 1.33, would be a huge improvement. Most of the projection systems put him at 4.6 to 4.8. I think he'll better that, but would be surprised to make him make such a huge leap in ERA.
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Postby wrveres » Mon Mar 12, 2007 3:25 pm

davidmarver wrote: a league I expect to compete for the title in this season. ;-D


they must have some good drugs up their in Northern California :-o
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Postby davidmarver » Tue Mar 13, 2007 12:16 am

wrveres wrote:
davidmarver wrote: a league I expect to compete for the title in this season. ;-D


they must have some good drugs up their in Northern California :-o

I didn't know Santa Barbara, a city just 30 miles north of Los Angeles, was considered Northern California. Looks like someone doesn't know their geography. ;-)
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Postby Justblaze » Sun Mar 25, 2007 6:46 pm

I think he was optioned to the minors wasn't he? Adam was.
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Postby GotowarMissAgnes » Sun Mar 25, 2007 6:55 pm

Justblaze wrote:I think he was optioned to the minors wasn't he? Adam was.


Nope.
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Postby Super Manny » Sun Mar 25, 2007 7:34 pm

Who ends up with better overall 5x5 numbers in Baltimore - Cabrera or Loewen?
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Postby The Big Train » Sun Mar 25, 2007 9:25 pm

Justblaze wrote:I think he was optioned to the minors wasn't he? Adam was.


He can't be optioned to the minors. His contract guarantees that he will be with the big club all year. If they did try to option him, he would have to clear waivers which wouldn't happen since someone would surely claim him. He's here to stay.
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Postby A Fleshner Fantasy » Sun Mar 25, 2007 9:45 pm

Super Manny wrote:Who ends up with better overall 5x5 numbers in Baltimore - Cabrera or Loewen?


As a diehard Orioles fan, I would say Loewan. I've been watching this guy in the miners for a couple years now, and he's filthy.

Cabrera can throw the ball harder, but Bedard taught Loewan his breaking ball this offseason which Loewan alreayd throws almost as well as Bedard.

The major difference, however, is that Loewan throws strikes. Cabrera can be unhittable one day, and then walk 8 in an inning the next.
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