Down On the Farm: Ryan Wagner

[Madison]

I would think the Reds would jump at the chance to trade Graves considering his salary, but Graves will have to improve on a 5.33 ERA and .298 BAA before that happens. And he probably loses a little more value if he goes back to closing.

Graves has already been named the closer for next year. Personally, in my opinion, I think Graves will do just fine. Wagner will get a shot if they trade Graves.

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I would think the Reds would jump at the chance to trade Graves considering his salary, but Graves will have to improve on a 5.33 ERA and .298 BAA before that happens. And he probably loses a little more value if he goes back to closing.

Graves has already been named the closer for next year. Personally, in my opinion, I think Graves will do just fine. Wagner will get a shot if they trade Graves.

Ah, I wasn't aware that he was officially back in that role. That's too bad for Wagner. But I do agree that he'll probably be successful in the closer's role once again.

In regards to his value, I only meant his trade value to other teams. Not proving himself as a successful starter would therefore limit interest in him, and considering he likely has a higher salary than the $5 mil from 2003, that can only make it harder to trade him.

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If the Reds make Graves trade bait next season I'll make sure to put up a billboard directing teams towards Mantei first.

[Jivedude]

If the Reds make Graves trade bait next season I'll make sure to put up a billboard directing teams towards Mantei first.

Danny Graves RHP CIN Signed Jan 2003 - 3 years/$17.25M
2003: $5.0M
2004: $6.0M
2005: $6.25M
2006: Mutual option with escalating buyout
-Salary increases by $0.5M if he is traded; Buyout escalates based on IP
-Limited no-trade clause of four teams per year

Matt Mantei RHP ARI Signed Jan 2001 - 4 years/$22M
2001: $3.25M (+$1.0M signing bonus)
2002: $4.0M
2003: $6.75M
2004: Player option $7.0M

[wrveres]

If the Reds make Graves trade bait next season I'll make sure to put up a billboard directing teams towards Mantei first.

Danny Graves RHP CIN Signed Jan 2003 - 3 years/$17.25M
2003: $5.0M
2004: $6.0M
2005: $6.25M
2006: Mutual option with escalating buyout
-Salary increases by $0.5M if he is traded; Buyout escalates based on IP
-Limited no-trade clause of four teams per year

Matt Mantei RHP ARI Signed Jan 2001 - 4 years/$22M
2001: $3.25M (+$1.0M signing bonus)
2002: $4.0M
2003: $6.75M
2004: Player option $7.0M

looks like Mantei is the better buy .... and he is the better pitcher too. .. I hope the Dbacks trade Mantei .... I have a certain Valverde sitting down on the bench awaiting that, or injury. I figured it was a safe bet that one of the two would happen ..

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If the Reds make Graves trade bait next season I'll make sure to put up a billboard directing teams towards Mantei first.

Danny Graves RHP CIN Signed Jan 2003 - 3 years/$17.25M
2003: $5.0M
2004: $6.0M
2005: $6.25M
2006: Mutual option with escalating buyout
-Salary increases by $0.5M if he is traded; Buyout escalates based on IP
-Limited no-trade clause of four teams per year

Matt Mantei RHP ARI Signed Jan 2001 - 4 years/$22M
2001: $3.25M (+$1.0M signing bonus)
2002: $4.0M
2003: $6.75M
2004: Player option $7.0M

Thanks for the info! (Where'd that come from, BTW?)

[wrveres]

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