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Postby Members Only Jackets » Tue Mar 06, 2007 5:13 am

This depends on how soon you want to see your prospect in the bigs...I'd take Votto because:
1. He'll be up MOST LIKELY in the summer and do very good. He's in a good lineup and small ballpark, has power and speed.
2. Carlos is very good but he's still a ways away. He K's a lot and needs to work on his plate discipline. Arizona has a crowded and talented outfield and can be afford to wait a few years w/ him. Sure he has a higher ceiling but do you want to wait 2-3 years? Votto is this year.

Again, this depends on what your needs are.....Elbert is a wildcard becasue of his control issues. If he gets that improved (which he should) he can be right there w/ Bailey and Hughes.


Love Travis Snider as well....
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Postby jmlevy » Tue Mar 06, 2007 11:20 am

OK guys, Gonzalez and Josh Hamilton were take before me, and it is now my pick.

I am thinking of going between two of these players:
Rasmus
Adenhart
Elbert
Niemann
Votto
Snider

Would you steer clear of an OFer because of my group of players there (Berk, Dye, Rocco)? Does having the best SP in the minors change your decision on where to go from here? Or should I go with the best pair available, which I must say is most likely SP, SP?

Niemann, Adenhart, and/or Elbert at SP? Rasmus or Snider at OF? Or go with a 1B in Votto? All these questions are making my head spin...
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Postby BooksRnot4U » Tue Mar 06, 2007 11:28 am

Niemann/Elbert
Votto

thats where I would go
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Postby 05worldserieschamps » Tue Mar 06, 2007 11:34 am

Then I think you have to take Adenhart. He is the best pitching prospect on this list, unless you like Elbert. If you prefer hitting, I'd go with Votto, Ellsbury and maybe even Adam Jones. Actually, I like Loney alot too, I didn't see him the first time. But i take Adenhart.
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Postby jmlevy » Tue Mar 06, 2007 11:48 am

I'm just curious as to why some people would rather take Adenhart over Elbert...

I looked over their stats and Elbert has the better K rate, has progressed farther in the minors, has a respectable record, but has given up a few long balls during his stint in AA.

Adenhart has better ratios, but his Ks are much lower (and keep in mind that was in A, so it couldnt get that much better in AAA, or even the majors). Elbert was drafted to be a big time pitcher, while Adenhart was surpassed about 400 picks to the middle rounds.

I know drafting minors is all about speculation, but I was just curious what people see in Adenhart vs Elbert. Heck, I am considering just drafting the two of them so I wouldn't have to worry about picking one over the other.
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Postby PlayingWithFire » Tue Mar 06, 2007 1:42 pm

jmlevy wrote:I'm just curious as to why some people would rather take Adenhart over Elbert...

I looked over their stats and Elbert has the better K rate, has progressed farther in the minors, has a respectable record, but has given up a few long balls during his stint in AA.

Adenhart has better ratios, but his Ks are much lower (and keep in mind that was in A, so it couldnt get that much better in AAA, or even the majors). Elbert was drafted to be a big time pitcher, while Adenhart was surpassed about 400 picks to the middle rounds.

I know drafting minors is all about speculation, but I was just curious what people see in Adenhart vs Elbert. Heck, I am considering just drafting the two of them so I wouldn't have to worry about picking one over the other.


Adenhart was considered first round talent comparable to Homer Bailey the year of his draft. Unfortunately he hurts himself throwing a slider late in his HS career and had to have TJ. That's why he fell a long way. The Angels did pay him a 2nd round like signing bonus though. He rehabbed and came back real strong. I wouldn't worry too much about the Ks. His strength is still coming back and there might be more to come. The problem with Elbert is that he's got big time control problem(4.99bb/9 in his minor league career, to give you an example of how bad that is, Oliver Perez has a 4.93bb/9 in his MAJOR league career). Elbert would be a Bailey/Hughes like prospect if his bb/9 is even decent. I have my doubt about his bb/9 ever being decent to allow him to have good numbers in the majors. He's got good stuff, but so does Adenhart.
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Postby jmlevy » Tue Mar 06, 2007 1:56 pm

I went with Adenhart and Elbert.

I figure I can't go wrong if/when either of them blow up to team with Hughes, CC, and Sheets to make a hell of a pitching core
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Postby PlayingWithFire » Tue Mar 06, 2007 1:59 pm

jmlevy wrote:I went with Adenhart and Elbert.

I figure I can't go wrong if/when either of them blow up to team with Hughes, CC, and Sheets to make a hell of a pitching core


so you missed out on Carlos Gonzalez? A 30HR bat? :-o
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Postby jmlevy » Tue Mar 06, 2007 2:00 pm

PlayingWithFire wrote:
jmlevy wrote:I went with Adenhart and Elbert.

I figure I can't go wrong if/when either of them blow up to team with Hughes, CC, and Sheets to make a hell of a pitching core


so you missed out on Carlos Gonzalez? A 30HR bat? :-o
He was picked 2 picks before my pick
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Postby PlayingWithFire » Tue Mar 06, 2007 2:03 pm

jmlevy wrote:
PlayingWithFire wrote:
jmlevy wrote:I went with Adenhart and Elbert.

I figure I can't go wrong if/when either of them blow up to team with Hughes, CC, and Sheets to make a hell of a pitching core


so you missed out on Carlos Gonzalez? A 30HR bat? :-o
He was picked 2 picks before my pick


ah, gotcha, though I'd still pick Votto before Elbert. It's debatable.
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