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Postby guffee » Mon Mar 05, 2007 2:02 am

don't discount the need for a solid closer. If you have 2 good ones like nathan and bj ryan and a decent 3rd 1(i.e. fuentes), you get, possibly, 9 innings of work a week with an era of 1 or under, whip under 1, 6 ks, a possible win, and all the saves you earn. that is better than a starter. combine that with 4 or 5 good starters and you can excel at k's, whip, era, and saves. You'll just sacrifice wins. You can also make the move to drop a starter who isn't having a good year because your closers are so solid and valuable. if you punt closers or get crappy ones, you could become deficient in whip, era, and saves. i would rather take the 4 good cats with closers than 2 good one and question marks with the others without solid closers.



btw: first time here in this side of the forum. usually spend my time at the basketball forum.
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Postby rjforlife » Mon Mar 05, 2007 8:27 am

Ender wrote:
ttwarrior1 wrote:you guys must be drunk, half those guys are taken way before then,


Keep in mind its a 10 team league. If you only have 1 C slot I dont' take a C slot here, if you have 2 I'm all over VMart. I like Furcal and Konerko the best assuming they fit your teams needs. Its kind of hard to say becasue you play in such a shallow league that just playing the hot hand is probably going to win the league, not drafting well.



i dont know how shallow it is since we start MI,CI, 4 OFs and 2 Util along with the normal spots 6 bench and 3 dl. the free agent pool once the 300 players taken in the draft is not a pretty thing. i realize there are much deeper league but this league isnt shallow enough to not have to really focus on the draft. also, i forgot to mention this earlier but it is a 4 year keeper in year 1, im wondering if that changes whom i should be taking in these rounds at all? we keep 6 and one rookie, so these players would technically be probable keepers.
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Postby willy-t » Mon Mar 05, 2007 8:53 am

I'll probably take 2 pitchers in rounds 5-7, those second tier guys, Smoltz, Myers, Lackey, CC Sabathia etc etc are golden when you take them with a stud that you took in the first 4 rounds. Give me a stud, 2 second tier guys and a top 5 closer to go with 4 well rounded hitters and I'm a happy man.
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Postby BritSox » Mon Mar 05, 2007 9:15 am

There's no way Smoltz in the sixth is too early. I'd consider him in the second half of the fifth, and if he falls to me with any sixth-round pick, he's mine. But there are always guys who fall, and guys who get reached on. Most of my leagues are 14-teamers, and I think I'd take Sheets in the sixth happily enough.

I think the fifth is about the right round to start going after the elite closers, though of course, if there's a run that opens up a lot of intriguing other possibilities. I can't actually believe these guys' ADP is really that low. Normally, every league has that one guy who takes their favourite closer in the third, whilst I don't think I've ever seen them fall below the fifth.
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Postby slomo007 » Mon Mar 05, 2007 9:45 am

There's a big group of very shaky closer candidates this year to say the least, so I would prefer to lock one one of the elite closers in the mid rounds this year. I'm talking K-Rod, Rivera, Nathan, Ryan, Wagner.

I can definitely see the case for V-Mart and Smoltz...but not sure I would grab anyone else you listed just yet. Maybe Figgins, but if he's hitting 9th this year then that really hurts his value.
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Postby chadlincoln » Mon Mar 05, 2007 12:23 pm

Konerko
Matsui
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Postby rjforlife » Mon Mar 05, 2007 3:09 pm

i am really starting to warm up to matsui.....and yes i did just watch him rip one out on espn but still i kind of forgot how good he has been since coming over. say i have 1 starter and 3 hitters for my first four picks. would it then seem wise to take:

Wagner
Sheets
Matsui




or some combination of a closer,starter,and hitter? or is it still to early to not just get BA? i think that is really the heart of my question. do i start looking at scarcity and whats available at different positions in these rounds or should i simply grab the best player?
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Postby Dan Charette » Mon Mar 05, 2007 7:10 pm

I think that you do have to look at positions. I like to kind of work my draft backwards. What I mean is , I see what positions have the most players that I like in later rounds. If you're in round 5, then I like to look at adp's for rounds 10 through 15 or so.
And then I see which positions have the fewest options for those rounds. I then make sure I get someone in rounds 5-9 to fill the positions I don't think I can fill later.
If there's only 1 or 2 at a position that you like for later rounds, you might get burned. I like to see what positions might have a group of 4 or 5 players that you like as sleepers , then you can wait.
I usually do a chart of all the positions , which uses scarcity.
So in other words, I rank my positions to see which ones have the most late round value picks. The positions with the least amount of late round value are the ones I fill first. That's how I avoid getting stuck with a dub at some position.
I take my pitchers when I feel I can. I do like to get 1 of the top 6 closers. I also get 1 of the top 10 starters.
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