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Should Shoeless Joe Jackson be enshrined into the Baseball Hall of Fame?

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Postby LCBOY » Wed Jun 02, 2004 10:56 pm

I just went to Barnes and Noble and bought a copy of Eight Men Out... ;-)
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Postby LBJackal » Thu Jun 03, 2004 2:48 am

Shoeless Joe was by far the best player in the World Series that year, and he blew away everybody else with stats. Also, those triples that were hit were NOT all hit to him. I think one of them was to him, and it was to center field, but he got to it first. His defense was fine, and his hitting was awesome. He was innocent, and should be in the Hall. There's no evidence that he was involved in throwing any games. He was given money which he did not accept, but tried to return.
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Postby Lofunzo » Thu Jun 03, 2004 2:52 am

How can you try to return money that you did not accept in the first place?? IMHO, that's like buying drugs, getting caught, and saying that you didn't intend to use them.
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Postby Arlo » Thu Jun 03, 2004 9:10 am

LBJackal wrote:Shoeless Joe was by far the best player in the World Series that year, and he blew away everybody else with stats. Also, those triples that were hit were NOT all hit to him. I think one of them was to him, and it was to center field, but he got to it first. His defense was fine, and his hitting was awesome. He was innocent, and should be in the Hall. There's no evidence that he was involved in throwing any games. He was given money which he did not accept, but tried to return.

I think stats won't help us much here. Yes, his overall numbers were excellent (although 'blew everybody away' might be a bit of an exaggeration), but in games that were thrown and situations that mattered, his stats are pretty pedestrian. On the other hand, that doesn't prove he's guilty of throwing games, either.
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Postby frog99 » Thu Jun 03, 2004 11:57 am

8 Men Out page 177 wrote: After they swore [Jackson] in, he began talking. They asked him questions, leading into the story of the fix. He told them of the gradual feeling-out by Gandil and Risberg...They would give him $20,000 for helping out. It was easy; all he had to do was go along with it; let a ball drop a few feet in front of him; not hit the big one with men on. He could look good and still play badly. Twenty thousand dollars. Finally he agreed...



this is when JAckson testified to the grandjury that he had agreed to help fix the 1919 World Series. I don't really see what other proof i need to put foward. He is guilty.
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Postby ajgnydc722 » Mon Jun 21, 2004 9:29 pm

I think he should be in.
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Postby Stejay » Sun Feb 26, 2006 3:01 pm

Yes, i do think that Joe Jackson shoul be elected to the hall of fame. He was too good not to be. One moment of madness and everyone forgets about greatness. Same with Rose. Saying that, I also think itwoul be unfair to elect Jackson and not Rose. So there you have i, a plus and a minus. Overall, they should both be elected
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Postby teddy ballgame » Sun Apr 09, 2006 9:26 pm

Stejay wrote:Yes, i do think that Joe Jackson shoul be elected to the hall of fame. He was too good not to be. One moment of madness and everyone forgets about greatness. Same with Rose. Saying that, I also think itwoul be unfair to elect Jackson and not Rose. So there you have i, a plus and a minus. Overall, they should both be elected

Agreed. Both should be in. ;-D
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Postby thedude » Mon Apr 10, 2006 10:29 am

Neither Rose nor Jackson should be in, they broke the roles of the game, knew the consequences and got caught.
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Postby duckmonkey » Fri Apr 21, 2006 2:05 pm

He SHOULD be in the Hall. He was found NOT GUILTY by the jury. He was offered money, but tried to let Comiskey know about it and asked NOT to play...declined by Comiskey.

His testimony: http://www.blackbetsy.com/jjtestimony1920.pdf

The only thing Jackson was guilty of was association. He was banned by baseball and being the man of character he was...did not protest. He was banned with the other 7 guilty players because of the bad press that this incident brought to the game of baseball.
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