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Postby Ender » Thu Mar 01, 2007 4:28 pm

I have him down as my 11th best starter and Haren as my 12th best. There isn't much difference between my 11th best and my 18th best though. I'll just be taking which guys fall to the 7th round (14 team draft so 8th in a 12 teamer).

His component ERA was great last year which usually means even a small adjustment on his part will lead to a big improvement in his ERA. His WHIP was decent and his K's are great plus he plays on a good offensive team so should get decent W's.
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Postby DevilDriver » Thu Mar 01, 2007 4:35 pm

I think people are confusing Rich Harden with Danny Haren.
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Postby StlSluggers » Thu Mar 01, 2007 4:43 pm

DevilDriver wrote:I think people are confusing Rich Harden with Danny Haren.

Yep. Those comparisons are Harden and Bondy.
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Postby PlayingWithFire » Thu Mar 01, 2007 4:43 pm

agreed with most, I don't see a huge improvement coming though a minor improvement is probably in the book
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Postby Ender » Thu Mar 01, 2007 4:44 pm

DevilDriver wrote:I think people are confusing Rich Harden with Danny Haren.


Nope, Yoda just mentioned that Haren would be a couple rounds later and provide similar value, just happened to be a player wtih close to same name as your comparison chart.
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Postby GreatestShowOnEarth » Thu Mar 01, 2007 5:40 pm

StlSluggers wrote:How do you feel about Rich Harden, because statistically speaking, they're very similar:

High Ks, Bondy walks less, but gives up more dingers.

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We sure know that Chad doesnt like Harden...... ;-) :-b

I don't know how you dont like Bonderman. Hes young, hes on a great team, He Ks a ton, He has no major injury history, and he has improved his ratios in every season in the majors.
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Postby J35J » Thu Mar 01, 2007 6:17 pm

GreatestShowOnEarth wrote:
StlSluggers wrote:How do you feel about Rich Harden, because statistically speaking, they're very similar:

High Ks, Bondy walks less, but gives up more dingers.

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We sure know that Chad doesnt like Harden...... ;-) :-b

I don't know how you dont like Bonderman. Hes young, hes on a great team, He Ks a ton, He has no major injury history, and he has improved his ratios in every season in the majors.



I don't know if anyone said they didn't like Bonderman, just that some like him more than maybe they should. He hasn't posted below a 4 ERA or a 1.30 WHIP. He's got a little more work to do before he's an ace on my team. I do like him though!!
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Postby JTWood » Thu Mar 01, 2007 7:05 pm

One thing I'm not fond of about Bonderman is his recent trend of declining after the AS break.

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Year - Pre - Post
2005 - 4.00 - 5.61
2006 - 3.46 - 4.87

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The nice thing is that his peripherals don't really seem to go bad in the second half. His BABIP seems to indicate it's just some recurring bad luck.
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Postby 5 » Thu Mar 01, 2007 9:14 pm

yup, Bonderman was a bit unlucky last year.

I've watched him pitch for a couple of years now (maybe not this year b/c MLB is disgustingly greedy - DirecTV). He's fun to watch and rumor has he's working on harnessing another pitch - to offset some of his troubles with lefties.
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Postby great gretzky » Thu Mar 01, 2007 9:20 pm

well I like the guy, but having a major debate right now. basically I have a keeper league that uses yahoo (or another, pre-determined source of rankings) to determine round value to keep them. Too spread out geographically to do a true auction, and also want to incorporate "value" into it, rather than straight keepers.

I could keep halladay OR bonderman, or both. If I keep bonderman, I can free up a 6yh round draft spot, otherwise, I don't pick 'till seven. And as tempting as it is, I just don't feel that bonderman is trustworthy enough to pull, especially with a longer season. good pitcher, and he will break out to some degree, but he doesn't get my full seal of approval either. he simply won't carry you.
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