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Postby stubs5205 » Wed Feb 28, 2007 9:50 pm

Hey guys

im trying to convince the people in my league that adding L as a pitching category would deter people from churning pitchers. everyone thinks im an idiot for doing it, and i was just looking for some opinions here. good idea or bad idea to include L as a pitching category?
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Re: Losses as a Way to Stop Churning

Postby TheRock » Wed Feb 28, 2007 10:05 pm

stubs5205 wrote:Hey guys

im trying to convince the people in my league that adding L as a pitching category would deter people from churning pitchers. everyone thinks im an idiot for doing it, and i was just looking for some opinions here. good idea or bad idea to include L as a pitching category?


Maybe they just think you're an idiot because they like churning. :-B

Adding losses is one way to do it, you could also use a transaction limit, or weekly IP limit.
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Postby Ender » Wed Feb 28, 2007 10:07 pm

Its the wrong way to do it is the problem, all it does is devalue starting pitchers even more.
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Postby orange12 » Wed Feb 28, 2007 10:08 pm

That's not a bad idea at all. I played in a H2H league with loses as a category last year and it worked great. It forced owners to pick and choose their starts more carefully which made the game that much more involved. I'm pretty sure it will stop churning in its tracks since the cost (L, ERA, WHIP) outweighs the benefits (W, K).
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Re: Losses as a Way to Stop Churning

Postby gostanford07 » Wed Feb 28, 2007 10:11 pm

TheRock wrote:
stubs5205 wrote:Hey guys

im trying to convince the people in my league that adding L as a pitching category would deter people from churning pitchers. everyone thinks im an idiot for doing it, and i was just looking for some opinions here. good idea or bad idea to include L as a pitching category?


Maybe they just think you're an idiot because they like churning. :-B

Adding losses is one way to do it, you could also use a transaction limit, or weekly IP limit.


We've been debating the same thing. Unfortunately, you can't set weekly IP limits on Yahoo.
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Postby rainman23 » Wed Feb 28, 2007 10:55 pm

Having negative categories is definitely one good way to counter the strategy. We've used Total Bases Allowed the last few years for the same purpose. It devalues churning, not starting pitching. Of course while you're managing the "too many starters" problem, you also want to bear in mind the "all relievers" problem. Do things to keep your managers from rolling too many starters out there, but then make sure you also set a solid Minimums Inning value, to make sure they have to start a few guys. Ideally you've got a nice balancing act, where managers have to wrack their brains over how many guys to roll out, and there's no obvious advantage to extremes in either direction. Managing your pitching staff should be the most challenging aspect of H2H -- don't make your managers' decisions easy.
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Postby chadlincoln » Wed Feb 28, 2007 11:59 pm

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Postby Half Massed » Thu Mar 01, 2007 12:14 am

The problem with losses is that it punishes good pitchers on bad teams even more than usual. A pitcher's record is largely out of their control and pitchers on bad teams are going to get less wins and more losses as a general rule, so why penalize them on both ends?
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Postby luckygehrig » Thu Mar 01, 2007 12:41 am

The H2HWS uses a 50 move transaction limit. I found it to be a solid way to stop churning while still allowing enough moves to pick up the hot bat or replace an injured or slumping player. I don't think there's really any reason that a manager who wasn't churning would even come close to passing 50 moves. I had a guy in my league who pretty much redrafted his team 3 times last year using the ww, and he was in the mid-30s.
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Postby TheRock » Thu Mar 01, 2007 12:46 am

Speaking of churning....

http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/pmlb/2006/577

This guy won his Yahoo H2H league with 558 transactions! Talk about needing a rules change.
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