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Postby crazycanuck » Sun Feb 25, 2007 10:12 pm

Our league changed the format to replace Avg with OBP.

I would assume that some of the power hitters may take a dip in value, but after looking at stats from last year, there seems to be no real consistancy in terms of what type of player would be expected to excel in this cat, like you would find by switching from Avg to OPS.

Any thoughts on how to approach this new look, and any sites that focus on OBP in projections?
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Postby godallahstar » Sun Feb 25, 2007 10:23 pm

i would say people who walk will benefit the most.
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Postby Tavish » Sun Feb 25, 2007 10:43 pm

What is the 6th category.. OPS? High BA guys tend to take the biggest hit with changing BA to OBP as unless that BA is supported with a decent amount of walks. Think players like Ichiro, who lose a great deal of their dominance in a category. You are taking away BA where he has 5 Top-10 finishes to OBP where he has only 2.

Some other similar High BA, Decent OBP guys:
Michael Young
Matt Holliday
Freddy Sanchez
Paul Lo Duca
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Postby crazycanuck » Sun Feb 25, 2007 10:47 pm

Tavish wrote:What is the 6th category.. OPS? High BA guys tend to take the biggest hit with changing BA to OBP as unless that BA is supported with a decent amount of walks. Think players like Ichiro, who lose a great deal of their dominance in a category. You are taking away BA where he has 5 Top-10 finishes to OBP where he has only 2.

Some other similar High BA, Decent OBP guys:
Michael Young
Matt Holliday
Freddy Sanchez
Paul Lo Duca


Thanks for the responses...the extra cat we added was K's as a negative stat, which also changes the way you rank players, especially some of the sluggers.

Any other comments/suggestions?
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Postby roninmedia » Sun Feb 25, 2007 10:53 pm

OBP In, K Out.

To tell you the truth, it sort of cancels out.

High average guys such as Young, Ichiro, and Sanchez are hurt by on base percentage because they do not get many walks. On the over hand, they do not strike out many times.

However, Pujols just furthers his command of the #1 slot. No way the guy with the 1st pick does not take him.
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Postby go_jays_go » Mon Feb 26, 2007 12:56 am

One player to definitely target since you've made the switch is Adam Dunn. The man is a monster in OBP leagues. ;-D
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Postby TheRawDAWG » Mon Feb 26, 2007 10:41 am

Also, Giambi is a much better play in OBP leagues.
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Postby Philliebuster » Mon Feb 26, 2007 10:55 am

go_jays_go wrote:One player to definitely target since you've made the switch is Adam Dunn. The man is a monster in OBP leagues. ;-D


Prospectus player forecast manager formatted to a league without AVG as a category, and adding OBP had Dunn ranked as the #6 OF, behind Beltran and ahead of Holliday.
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Postby BritSox » Mon Feb 26, 2007 11:03 am

roninmedia wrote:OBP In, K Out.

To tell you the truth, it sort of cancels out.

High average guys such as Young, Ichiro, and Sanchez are hurt by on base percentage because they do not get many walks. On the over hand, they do not strike out many times.

However, Pujols just furthers his command of the #1 slot. No way the guy with the 1st pick does not take him.


This is spot on. Guys who walk a lot tend to be very selective and take a lot of pitches, the downside of which is they often record a large proportion of their outs as strikeouts, so the exact same guys who are benefitted from the switch from BA to OBP, your Dunns, Giambis and Thomes, will kill you in the K category, whilst those who are hurt by moving to OBP (often speedy guys who swing at anything and put the ball in play a lot, but rarely walk) won't K very much at all.

So to those of you suggesting Adam Dunn is more valuable in a league which penalizes K's, shame on you!
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Postby Philliebuster » Mon Feb 26, 2007 11:26 am

BritSox wrote:

So to those of you suggesting Adam Dunn is more valuable in a league which penalizes K's, shame on you!


In a standard 5x5 with R, HR, SB, RBI, AVG Dunn's average will kill you. He would only help greatly in 3/5 categories.

If you added a 6th offensive category to that, such as OBP, then average becomes 1/6th of the value rather than 1/5th, which increases Dunns value.

What this gentleman did in his league was take out AVG and add OPS which favors Dunn. K's were added (as a 6th category) which is where Dunn can hurt you. However it is still at the 1/6th rate. In this 6x6 scenario he is going to help with R,HR,RBI and OBP, K's are his only downside. He is still a top 10 OF in this format. Speed guys reduce in value because AVG/Runs/SB is only 3/6 of the Cats, rather in a 5x5 where it is 3/5. No shame in that, that there is good advice.
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