Tim Hudson/Mark Buehrle

[j24jags]

Guys to watch in ST?

Both were considered aces just a couple of years ago (Buehrle just last year). Both are great late round picks with great upside, but do you guys think their ST performances can be indicators of the kind of season they will have?

[RynMan]

Neh.

I think both guys have pretty limited upside. Deep leagues they have some value. I doubt they get drafted in a 12 teamer.

[PlayingWithFire]

Neh.

I think both guys have pretty limited upside. Deep leagues they have some value. I doubt they get drafted in a 12 teamer.

1 season of ERA+ below 100 and Buehrle is no longer 12 teams material?

and ERA+ of 93 is hardly horrific.

[chris8]

If both were available in the last round of the draft, I would probably take a flier on Buehrle. Certainly worth keeping an eye on.

Hudson, though, for me at least, is toast, unless he does something remarkable in ST to make me sit up and take notice. Don't hold your breath, though!

[BitterDodgerFan]

buehrle should definetly be drafted before last rd. imo.

[Philliebuster]

I'd definitely take Buerhle over Hudson, he could be quite a bargain, last half of 2006 was bad for MB, but i'm willing to look past that if other owners are going to steer clear. He should definitely be drafted in a 12 teamer.

[RynMan]

Sorry, I just can't get excited about a guy who pitches in a great hitter's park and strikes out under 5 per nine.

[05worldserieschamps]

I would like to make a few points in Buehrle's defense:

1. He was an All-Star last season, let's not forget that.

2. When a player has an Unbelievable season or a fluke season, they don't go the first round.(ex: derrek lee; adrain beltre) Their stock may improve. Mark Buehrle was probably the most consistent Left Handed pitcher in the game pre-2006. And one bad season isn;t going to keep me from drafting him. Just as in Lee and Beltre's case, his stock may drop a little. But I still expect him to rebound and Win at least 15-16 games, as he used to.

[hot4tx]

A 28 year old, career 3.83 ERA, 1.26 WHIP pitcher without excessive injury risk, who starts on a good team (more chances for Ws) is not going to make your bench in a 12-team league because he had one bad year?

A 32 year old, career 3.57 ERA, 1.27 WHIP pitcher without excessive injury risk who had a bad year last year but the year before had a 3.52 ERA and just 3 years ago was considered one of the top SPs in fantasy, posting consecutive sub-3 ERA seasons is not good enough for your bench?

How do I get in ya'll leagues?

[JakeTrain72]

I think both of these guys are great SPs to keep an eye on during ST and worth taking in a 12+ team league. Don't expect either to return to their best form, but I don't think either has as bad a year as they had last season.

Hudson in particular should provide clues during ST because he was getting behind in counts most of last season and hardly threw his off-speed stuff resulting in plenty of "just get it over the plate" stuff that MLB players feast on. I'd just watch his WHIP during ST and if its reasonable I'm buying Hudson cheap.

With Buerhle you have to consider those IP are having an effect on his arm. He has the mental ability of a staff ace and should come into 2007 with renewed confidence, but I'm not sure he will be able to be the innings eater he has been. Best case, draft him, he goes 4-0 or 5-1 with good numbers and you trade him off 1-2 months into the season to the team who's ace just got hurt.