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Why are SB's down from 20 yrs. qgo?

Postby kingmike74 » Wed Feb 21, 2007 11:48 am

I was comparing stats compared to the 1980's and noticed guys like Vince Coleman, Eric Davis and Henderson. Why is no one thretening the 80+ SB mark anymore? Eric Davis in '86 had 80 swipes and 27 HR's to boot, that is unreal. Davis was not faster than guys like Crawford or Reyes was he.
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Postby Yoda » Wed Feb 21, 2007 11:59 am

It's all about HRs.
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Postby MrT » Wed Feb 21, 2007 12:02 pm

I doubt that Crawford or Reyes are any slower than any of the three. All three you name were fast and exceptional runners. The team philosophy was geared for running and setting up for a quick run. Davis also had power which is why he was the number 1 fantasy player of his time. When the sox won the penant they used a similar stategy with Podsednik. If he did not get hurt he would have had huge sb numbers.
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Postby mak1277 » Wed Feb 21, 2007 12:02 pm

Yoda wrote:It's all about HRs.


Exactly. Plus, if you look at the composition of the teams in the era you reference, almost every team had a player or two that didn't hit much at all in their lineup. The old "good field, no hit" middle infielders were prevalent in the 80's...in order to score, you needed to manufacture runs. Now, you have teams like the Tigers with 9 guys hitting 20+ bombs...why steal bases?
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Postby thedude » Wed Feb 21, 2007 12:03 pm

The slide step. Is one reason.

Another reason is that teams realized have a guy with a .302 OBP and 90 steals wasn't as good as a guy with a .350 OBP and 30 steals. Plus when the your number 3 and 4 hitters are capable of hitting a homerun at any mounment it doesn't make sense for the guy in front of them to be running into outs.

Stolen bases are cyclical. They declined from the 1920s all the way to the 1950s. Then in the 1960s (after the mound was raised) they began to increase again.
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Postby kingmike74 » Wed Feb 21, 2007 12:13 pm

Great feedback, thanks
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Postby looptid » Wed Feb 21, 2007 12:21 pm

A decrease in the number of fields using Astroturf is another reason. Today's Field Turf is slower, and traditional dirt basepaths much more. The 70s and 80s were the heyday of the giant multipurpose Astroturf stadium.
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Postby LukeW9027 » Wed Feb 21, 2007 5:50 pm

Its all about run expectancy. Studies have shown that if a player doesnt steal successfully at a 63% clip or higher, they are costing their teams runs. Essentially, its the moneyball theory. Getting caught stealing hurts your cahnces to score much worse than stealing second does to help your chances of scoring.
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Postby Steve-o » Wed Feb 21, 2007 6:39 pm

Yoda wrote:It's all about HRs.


I was going to saw "Chicks dig the long ball."
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Postby HOOTIE » Thu Feb 22, 2007 9:25 am

LukeW9027 wrote:Its all about run expectancy. Studies have shown that if a player doesnt steal successfully at a 63% clip or higher, they are costing their teams runs. Essentially, its the moneyball theory. Getting caught stealing hurts your cahnces to score much worse than stealing second does to help your chances of scoring.


It's quite a bit higher. Around 72%.
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