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Postby Pogotheostrich » Fri Nov 14, 2003 2:21 pm

From the Tampa Tribune
TAMPA - The Devil Rays soon may be adding a veteran first baseman and closer to their roster.
Talks have heated up between the Rays and St. Louis on a deal that could bring former University of Tampa all-American Tino Martinez to Tampa Bay within a few days. Rays General Manager Chuck LaMar also has begun efforts to acquire free-agent closer Tom Gordon.

The Rays and Cardinals are believed to be close to an agreement on how much of Martinez's $7.5 million contract St. Louis will pay in 2004. Sources have said that figure likely will be between $6 million and $7 million. The contract also includes an $8 million salary or $1 million buyout for 2005.

The Cardinals, who plan to move all-star Albert Pujols to first base next season, likely would receive a minor-league position player in return for Martinez, who turns 36 in December.

LaMar, returning home Thursday from the general managers meetings in Arizona, said of Martinez, ``We'd like him to be a Devil Ray'' but declined to say how quickly that can happen.

Manager Lou Piniella added, ``If it does happen, Tino will be very excited and we will be too.''

LaMar said he spoke with Gordon's agent while in Arizona and expects to talk again. The Rays have made acquiring a closer one of their top offseason priorities and Gordon leads their list.

Gordon, who was raised in Avon Park, was 7-6 with 12 saves in 17 opportunities for the Chicago White Sox largely in a setup role last season. His best season came with Boston in 1998, when he saved 46 games before being sidelined by arm problems. He appeared in 66 games last season for the White Sox.


I have enough faith in Jocketty to hope it won't go down like that. Pay 7 of the 7.5 mil? For a prospect.
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Postby j_d_mcnugent » Fri Nov 14, 2003 3:24 pm

i cant remember the last time walt really got hosed in a trade so if those are the terms then it has to be one hell of a minor league prospect. the point of trading tino is to free up salary so if the cards are paying 95 percent of his salary i would expect either no deal or a major league ready player in return.
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Postby Nisly » Tue Nov 18, 2003 9:50 pm

Hey Pogo, what are some of the other rumors surrounding the card's this offseason? I'm a cards fan who lives in LA so all I can do is read the post online. I've heard about the edmonds for Perez and Mota deal, but not much else. Anything other interesting rumors? Also, do we really think we can use Drew in Center (for a full year no less!) if we do get rid of Jimmy?
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Postby Pogotheostrich » Tue Nov 18, 2003 10:53 pm

Those are the big ones. Vina is gone. Hart is in. Marrero, Edmonds and Drew have all been mentioned as being dealt for a SP. Tino is more of a salary dump.
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Postby Grenade Teeth » Thu Nov 20, 2003 9:55 am

The news today is the Cards will pay $6 mil of the 7.5 and the D-Rays would be responsible for the buyout/option year. The prospect mentioned was either Brazelton or Standridge. Apparently Jocketty really wanted Kennedy but TB wouldn't have it.

The post also mentions the possibility of getting Spezio or Snow (another Tino IMO) and I hope Walt is smarter than that. I think we should move Pujols to first and bring in Lofton for a year (I know StL doesn't like him, but we didn't like Will Clark much either until 2000).
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Postby Pogotheostrich » Thu Nov 20, 2003 10:36 am

I still think $6 mil is too much. What do they save $1.5 mil this year and $1 mil next year for the buyout?
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Postby j_d_mcnugent » Thu Nov 20, 2003 11:58 am

yeah basically they would save $2.5 million (1.5 this year and 1.0 from the buyout) but they would also get a pretty solid prospect if it ends up being brazelton. its not really a salary dump. my guess is that walt couldnt find anyone willing to take on more than 1 or 2 million of tino's salary so if we are going to get rid of him we have to do it by buying prospects from someone else. the cards could find a decent replacement for tino with 2.5 million (by either a left fielder or 1b) and should be getting a decent prospect with the amount of money they are paying so i would be fairly happy with that deal.

as far as trading edmonds is concerned, walt was quoted as saying they arent really interesting in trading him and he read where they had offered him to two teams he hasnt even talked to (referring to the dodgers and yankees rumors). i dont think edmonds will be traded.


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Postby gypsyspot » Sun Dec 07, 2003 1:30 am

Im glad Tino's gone. He was sabotage central. 7 mil out of 8.5 mil garunteed is a hell of deal for us. I would've payed Tampa to take him.
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