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Postby Guest » Wed Nov 12, 2003 1:57 pm

Pogotheostrich wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Ratings are flat and have been for some time.
You might want to check your information before making blanket statements. Ratings and attendance were up from last year.


Associated Press
Sept. 29, 2003 04:00 PM


NEW YORK - Baseball attendance picked up in the second half of the season, with the final average of 28,055 down just slightly from last year.

With terrible weather in the northern part of the country during early part of the season, the average had been down 7 percent on April 20 and 5 percent at the end of May.

The commissioner's office, in announcing the final, unofficial, figures on Monday, said the poor first half also was partly to "the weak economy, the war in Iraq and the SARS scare that particularly struck Toronto."

This year's final average was down 0.4 percent from last year's 28,168 and was the lowest since 1996. The average stabilized after falling from 30,099 in 2000 to 30,012 in 2001 and then dropping 6.1 percent last year.

All 30 teams reached 1 million in home attendance in the same year for the first time, with the New York Yankees (3,465,640), Anaheim (3,061,094), Chicago Cubs (2,962,630) and Boston (2,724,165) setting home attendance records.

Regular-season games broadcast on FOX averaged a 3.4 rating, from last year's 3.5.
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Postby Pogotheostrich » Wed Nov 12, 2003 2:14 pm

I found the article.
http://www.azcentral.com/sports/diamond ... ce-ON.html
Your right about the attendance. I forgot about the early season low attendance. But the article says that ratings were up.

Regular-season games broadcast on FOX averaged a 3.4 rating, up 6 percent from last year's 3.2.


Post season attendance and ratings were way up.
http://www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_42666.asp
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Postby wrveres » Wed Nov 12, 2003 6:46 pm

I am in discussions about my situation."


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well thats never very good link to article...too long to post
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Postby shortsavage » Wed Nov 12, 2003 7:08 pm

Anonymous wrote:
Pogotheostrich wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Ratings are flat and have been for some time.
You might want to check your information before making blanket statements. Ratings and attendance were up from last year.


Associated Press
Sept. 29, 2003 04:00 PM


NEW YORK - Baseball attendance picked up in the second half of the season, with the final average of 28,055 down just slightly from last year.

With terrible weather in the northern part of the country during early part of the season, the average had been down 7 percent on April 20 and 5 percent at the end of May.

The commissioner's office, in announcing the final, unofficial, figures on Monday, said the poor first half also was partly to "the weak economy, the war in Iraq and the SARS scare that particularly struck Toronto."

This year's final average was down 0.4 percent from last year's 28,168 and was the lowest since 1996. The average stabilized after falling from 30,099 in 2000 to 30,012 in 2001 and then dropping 6.1 percent last year.

All 30 teams reached 1 million in home attendance in the same year for the first time, with the New York Yankees (3,465,640), Anaheim (3,061,094), Chicago Cubs (2,962,630) and Boston (2,724,165) setting home attendance records.

Regular-season games broadcast on FOX averaged a 3.4 rating, from last year's 3.5.


Your conclusions of the main points in this article are a little off base.

You can actually tell in the first sentence that the author(s) is/are attempting to provide reason for baseball's overall ratings. They also include factors, such as a poor economy and weather, as reasons for baseball's poor attendence numbers. However, they go on to use statistics that end up leaving the reader with mixed messages.

The Fox example only gave more mixed message and it was a poor way to conclude the article.

Baseball fans do not watch as many Fox presentations because they are not put on very well. Why do you think Major League Baseball wanted to amend their deal with Fox's exclusive rights to the post season? Fox wasn't making the grade. The author should not have included this contradictary piece of information.

I would have written this article differently. It could easily throw off intelligent readers.
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Postby Gordon Lee » Thu Nov 13, 2003 3:08 pm

Hey, guys...New to this board, not to fantasy baseball or sports. Just wanted to introduce myself.

Want more bad news out of Milwaukee, here it is in a column I wrote for another site.

In a story that broke Tuesday evening, Ulice Payne Jr. may just be days away from being fired or forced to step down as President & CEO of the Milwaukee Brewers. Apparently, Ulice has been openly critical of the Brewers payroll situation in which it will continue its slide south to the $30 Million or less range. This last slide could put the Brewers as the lowest payroll in MLB.

Ulice is apparently unhappy with the payroll because he feels that lowering the payroll gives less back to the city of Milwaukee. If anyone remembers, when construction on Miller Park began in the mid 90's, the Brewers verbally promised that the team would field a competitive team within three years. Next season, 2004, will be the fourth year in Miller Park.

The situation has gotten so bad two state legislators want the Milwaukee Brewers to open their books for a public audit. Obviously, the money is going somewhere, and it is not going toward putting a winner on the field.

Ulice wanted to make one thing clear through Wednesday Night, "I haven't been fired, I'm still the President of this club." If this problem doesn't go away, the club will either buy out his contract, or he will simply step down.

The word is, that this whole situation started in a Payne interview early in the week. He was asked about the cap situation, and expressed his displeasure with the Board of Directors which is headed by Wendy Selig-Prieb, daughter of owner and Baseball Commissioner Bud Selig. Payne says he didn't try to start a feud by talking to a reporter. He says he was asked a question and believes in being up front and honest with the fans and the media.

Milwaukee County Executive Scott Walker is demanding the Brewers keep Ulice Payne as president of the baseball team. Walker sent a letter to the team's board Wednesday asking them to keep Payne and re-evaluate their business plan. Walker says the letter is designed to put pressure on the Brewers to keep the promises they made to tax payers more than a decade ago. Bud Selig, the former owner of the team, promised if taxpayers help finance a new stadium, management would invest in a championship team. The Brewers have had eleven losing seasons.

My View:

A couple of different ways to look at this situation.

1) The Milwaukee Brewers Board of Directors are not very popular people. From top to bottom, they have all been blamed at one time or another for the Brewers failing at doing what they promised. Once a popular guy like Ulice comes in and makes a change, which Ulice did in hiring GM Doug Melvin, who helped the Brewers improve by 12 games over the 2002 campaign, he gets fired shortly after. It takes "yes" men like Sal Bando and Dean Taylor who will do whatever Wendy Selig wants without questioning it.

2) Ulice, signed off on the 2004 payroll, so he should have kept his mouth shut. If he had a problem with it, he shouldn't have signed on it, and he could have spoke his mind. It's a bit hypocritical for him to agree to it, sign it, and then stab the club in the back by running his mouth and getting himself in trouble. This whole problem could have been avoided in doing so.


So, to sum all of it up, the Brewers are losing their President Ulice (Or as some of you call him, "Ulcer") Payne because of a misunderstanding. Ulice being a lawyer in the Milwaukee area has buddies, and those buddies are looking into the money situation, of why the money isn't going into the team.

It could get VERY ugly.
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Postby Madison » Thu Nov 13, 2003 3:14 pm

Welcome to the Cafe' Gordon Lee. ;-D

Interesting article. From the looks of things, you could be right. It could get very ugly indeed.
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