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Postby Pogotheostrich » Wed Nov 12, 2003 11:43 am

Transmogrifier wrote:
Pogotheostrich wrote:But the writers have show year in and year out what a group of egomanic idiots they are.


Agreed. Such as two writers not even listing Pedro in the top ten for MVP in 99. He should have won it.


Exactly ;-D
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Postby DK » Wed Nov 12, 2003 5:50 pm

I'll bet the house that if Halladay's bad month (April) was in september and Loaiza's bad month (September) was in april then Loaiza would have won it hands down.
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Postby HOOTIE » Thu Nov 13, 2003 1:58 am

Pogotheostrich wrote:From ESPN Page 2 Daily Quicke 11/11/03
Wonder if any "revisionist" AL Cy Young voters will apply a one-sided standard of some minimum number of wins or innings that must be reached.

That will let voters conveniently discount that Pedro was the best AL pitcher this season -- as opposed to Toronto's Roy Halladay, who had the most wins and innings. (Hold on, let's qualify that IP: Halladay threw 79 more innings than Pedro -- but gave up 59 more runs! That's a 6.72 ERA for those "extra innings.")


This is the kind of media logic that bothers me. You can't just subtract innings and runs allowed come up with a magical ERA for just the extra innings pitched



In my award thread, i picked Halladay as writer's pick. Because of wins, which they love. I believe Pedro and Hudson were the better pitchers, although Halladay isnt a bad choice. The example above isn't really phony. Using (RAR) Runs Above Replacement, you can fill in the blanks. I believe replacement era is 5.98. Adding 79 more innings to Pedros era, using a replacement era, and he still beats Halladay in era. Hudson's era was over a half run lower as well. Too much is made of Halladays innings. Roy also had a whopping 6.06 runs per 9. Three of Foulke's blown saves were in Hudson's starts.
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Postby DieHardCubbie » Fri Nov 14, 2003 3:30 am

Anybody feel it strange that Doc won the American league Cy young...and he pitches in Canada....sorry just something I saw as funny......
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Postby Madison » Fri Nov 14, 2003 1:39 pm

DieHardCubbie wrote:Anybody feel it strange that Doc won the American league Cy young...and he pitches in Canada....sorry just something I saw as funny......


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