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Postby Coppermine » Thu Feb 15, 2007 7:39 pm

ironman wrote:Is it better to be genuine if it means not being PC? Sure.

Is it better to just keep your mouth shut instead of displaying to the world how much of an ignorant jackass you are? Probably.

It's gonna take someone to come out, while they're still playing to bring change and tolerance in the pros, not unlike Magic coming out with his HIV. A lot of players were incredibly freaked out by it and didn't feel comfortable playing with Magic. Eventually things calmed down and as people became better educated about it, they realized it wasn't a big deal.

Granted HIV and homosexuality are slightly different matters, but with both, fear and ignorance being the greatest hurdles to overcome in a professional sports setting I think there's a valid comparison there.


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Postby Coppermine » Thu Feb 15, 2007 7:41 pm

acsguitar wrote:It woulda been so awesome if after this rant

"You know, I hate gay people, so I let it be known. I don't like gay people and I don't like to be around gay people. I am homophobic. I don't like it. It shouldn't be in the world or in the United States."


He added on:

Not that there's anything wrong with that!


And that would have been hilarious.
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Postby joelamosobadiah » Thu Feb 15, 2007 7:54 pm

Coppermine wrote:
ironman wrote:Is it better to be genuine if it means not being PC? Sure.

Is it better to just keep your mouth shut instead of displaying to the world how much of an ignorant jackass you are? Probably.

It's gonna take someone to come out, while they're still playing to bring change and tolerance in the pros, not unlike Magic coming out with his HIV. A lot of players were incredibly freaked out by it and didn't feel comfortable playing with Magic. Eventually things calmed down and as people became better educated about it, they realized it wasn't a big deal.

Granted HIV and homosexuality are slightly different matters, but with both, fear and ignorance being the greatest hurdles to overcome in a professional sports setting I think there's a valid comparison there.


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Guess you metal guys have to stick together, huh. :-b
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Postby Half Massed » Thu Feb 15, 2007 8:07 pm

I don't applaud Hardaway at all for this. It's one thing to state in a tactful manner that you're uncomfortable sharing a locker room with homosexuals, or even that you're uncomfortable associating with them off the court, but it's another thing entirely to say what Hardaway did. The biggest difference is that it shifts the blame from him to them. It goes from "I'm not comfortable, but that's just my personal stuff" to "it's wrong that they're making me uncomfortable and it shouldn't be allowed."

I would have fully supported him if he had gone about it the first way. I do think PC sensibilities are too strong, and would have applauded the willingness to express his discomfort, but not at all in the way in which he did it. There's no point in applauding honesty if that honesty is preaching hate.
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Postby joelamosobadiah » Thu Feb 15, 2007 8:23 pm

Half Massed wrote:I don't applaud Hardaway at all for this. It's one thing to state in a tactful manner that you're uncomfortable sharing a locker room with homosexuals, or even that you're uncomfortable associating with them off the court, but it's another thing entirely to say what Hardaway did. The biggest difference is that it shifts the blame from him to them. It goes from "I'm not comfortable, but that's just my personal stuff" to "it's wrong that they're making me uncomfortable and it shouldn't be allowed."

I would have fully supported him if he had gone about it the first way. I do think PC sensibilities are too strong, and would have applauded the willingness to express his discomfort, but not at all in the way in which he did it. There's no point in applauding honesty if that honesty is preaching hate.


Are you listening to Fox Sports Radio, cause they said pretty much the exact same thing like 10 minutes ago. :-B :-b
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Postby Coppermine » Thu Feb 15, 2007 9:24 pm

joelamosobadiah wrote:
Coppermine wrote:
ironman wrote:Is it better to be genuine if it means not being PC? Sure.

Is it better to just keep your mouth shut instead of displaying to the world how much of an ignorant jackass you are? Probably.

It's gonna take someone to come out, while they're still playing to bring change and tolerance in the pros, not unlike Magic coming out with his HIV. A lot of players were incredibly freaked out by it and didn't feel comfortable playing with Magic. Eventually things calmed down and as people became better educated about it, they realized it wasn't a big deal.

Granted HIV and homosexuality are slightly different matters, but with both, fear and ignorance being the greatest hurdles to overcome in a professional sports setting I think there's a valid comparison there.


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Guess you metal guys have to stick together, huh. :-b


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Postby GreatestShowOnEarth » Thu Feb 15, 2007 9:52 pm

Someone really wants the spotlight......

Why are they interviewing this guy?
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Postby Coppermine » Thu Feb 15, 2007 10:05 pm

They banned him from the "all-star festivities." Whatever that means.
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Postby ironman » Thu Feb 15, 2007 10:43 pm

Coppermine wrote:They banned him from the "all-star festivities." Whatever that means.


No hot groupie sex for Tim.

Seriously, the All-Star Game in Vegas? Think of how many children will be conceived this weekend?
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Postby LukeW9027 » Thu Feb 15, 2007 11:32 pm

to quote Danica Patrick- "stupid idiot!"
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