Position scarcity: Fact or fiction? - Fantasy Baseball Cafe 2014 Fantasy Baseball Cafe
100% Deposit Bonus for Cafe Members!

Return to Baseball Leftovers

Position scarcity: Fact or fiction?

Moderator: Baseball Moderators

Postby Grenade Teeth » Fri Nov 07, 2003 3:27 pm

Madison wrote:
Grenade Teeth wrote:It's all based on number of posts... intelligence in posts doesn't matter... ask Grenade Teeth and Madison :-)


8-o


edit :-D
Grenade Teeth
Minor League Mentor
Minor League Mentor

User avatar
Mock(ing) DrafterPick 3 Weekly Winner
Posts: 375
Joined: 3 Dec 2002
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: Demolished

Postby DK » Fri Nov 07, 2003 3:27 pm

Grenade Teeth wrote:It's all based on number of posts... intelligence in posts doesn't matter... ask DK :-)


Thank you for the vote of confidence. :*) :-b
Image
DK
Hall of Fame Hero
Hall of Fame Hero

User avatar
CafeholicCafe WriterCafe RankerMock(ing) DrafterEagle Eye
Posts: 9533
Joined: 22 Mar 2003
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: on deck

Postby Erboes » Fri Nov 07, 2003 3:44 pm

Then you'll be sure to hear more drivel from me then. Wait until you hear my theories about pitching!
Erboes
Major League Manager
Major League Manager

User avatar

Posts: 1433
Joined: 26 Mar 2003
Home Cafe: Baseball

Postby DK » Fri Nov 07, 2003 3:49 pm

Erboes wrote:Then you'll be sure to hear more drivel from me then. Wait until you hear my theories about pitching!


I think you become a SS (Softball Supervisor) after 25 posts.
Image
DK
Hall of Fame Hero
Hall of Fame Hero

User avatar
CafeholicCafe WriterCafe RankerMock(ing) DrafterEagle Eye
Posts: 9533
Joined: 22 Mar 2003
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: on deck

Postby Madison » Fri Nov 07, 2003 4:01 pm

Erboes wrote:Then you'll be sure to hear more drivel from me then. Wait until you hear my theories about pitching!


I found the last discussion very interesting. I look forward to more examples of thinking outside the box. Maybe right, maybe wrong, but we all learn something with some fresh, new ideas. ;-D
Yes doctor, I am sick.
Sick of those who are spineless.
Sick of those who feel self-entitled.
Sick of those who are hypocrites.
Yes doctor, an army is forming.
Yes doctor, there will be a war.
Yes doctor, there will be blood.....
Madison
Mod in Retirement
Mod in Retirement

User avatar
ExecutiveEditorCafeholicFantasy ExpertCafe WriterCafe RankerMock(ing) DrafterEagle EyeCafe SpotterInnovative MemberCafe MusketeerPick 3 ChampionMatchup Meltdown SurvivorLucky Ladders Weekly Winner
Posts: 53856
(Past Year: 1)
Joined: 29 Apr 2003
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: Taking Souls...

Postby Grenade Teeth » Fri Nov 07, 2003 4:04 pm

I have stale moldy bread ideas. :-/ What can we learn from them? :-?
Grenade Teeth
Minor League Mentor
Minor League Mentor

User avatar
Mock(ing) DrafterPick 3 Weekly Winner
Posts: 375
Joined: 3 Dec 2002
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: Demolished

Postby stevelabny » Fri Nov 07, 2003 4:06 pm

category scarcity is another concept that you will often see mentioned in the preseason magazines right alongside position scarcity. Most player values are figured out by how much a player wll contribute to the OVERALL numbers of a category (ex: 30 steals is a higher percentage of ALL steals than 30 hrs is of ALL hrs)

this is also a FACT but gets over-used. When my league first switched from s-draft to auction 6 (7?) years ago, some nimrods were actually using the suggested auction prices straight out of the magazines. This is a horrible mistake because usually they are for al or nl only, not mixed and because most magazines dont even bother to only have their dollar values equal the standard league salary cap of 3,120. (12 teams, $260 per team)

Besides the problem of ALL players being more expensive in the magazine than in reality, people immediately realized they were paying WAY too much for steals and saves. Over the years, I have simply stopped paying for saves completely (culminating in 2002s $1 bullpen of guardado,gagne and scrubs that was by far the best bullpen) and only pay for steals in the form of possible 20-20 or better guys (beltran is on my team every year, derrek lee has been for 2 years and will continue to be)
i predicted juan pierres huge steals year, but couldnt bring myself to pay for him on draft day and continue to hate myself for it.
i'm tryign to decide if it was a one-time error, or a sign that ive become a slave to my own rules, and didnt "change with the times" and realize that steals are so rare now that you have to pay for them again. im actually leaning toward the latter.

I actual WARN new players in my league that if they go by general magazine/internet prices they will get hosed on draft day, and that they should try to proceed cautiously until they get a feel for our prices. Because ANY player, even experienced, will be amazed at just how LITTLE our league winds up paying for closers and steals. its my fault, i know, because rather than bidding people up , i started just dropping out of auctions all together (for time's sake we just go around the table, if you pass, youre OUT) and eventually my league mates started to do the same to save money to bid against me for other players. but with the exception of starting to pay for saves (will NEVER happen) or steals , theres nothing i can do about it.

actually, maybe i should pay for gagne next year, just to try to get the wheels of change turning...

anyway, the point is just that categorical scarcity is just as real as position scarcity but they are just one more factor and not the be-all , end-all.
stevelabny
College Coach
College Coach

User avatar

Posts: 342
Joined: 22 Feb 2003
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: BROOKLYN!

Postby Madison » Fri Nov 07, 2003 4:06 pm

Grenade Teeth wrote:I have stale moldy bread ideas. :-/ What can we learn from them? :-?


Scrape off the mold, eat one of them, and tell us how you feel. :-D
Yes doctor, I am sick.
Sick of those who are spineless.
Sick of those who feel self-entitled.
Sick of those who are hypocrites.
Yes doctor, an army is forming.
Yes doctor, there will be a war.
Yes doctor, there will be blood.....
Madison
Mod in Retirement
Mod in Retirement

User avatar
ExecutiveEditorCafeholicFantasy ExpertCafe WriterCafe RankerMock(ing) DrafterEagle EyeCafe SpotterInnovative MemberCafe MusketeerPick 3 ChampionMatchup Meltdown SurvivorLucky Ladders Weekly Winner
Posts: 53856
(Past Year: 1)
Joined: 29 Apr 2003
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: Taking Souls...

Postby Grenade Teeth » Fri Nov 07, 2003 4:13 pm

Madison wrote:
Grenade Teeth wrote:I have stale moldy bread ideas. :-/ What can we learn from them? :-?


Scrape off the mold, eat one of them, and tell us how you feel. :-D


The position of the mold puts the bread in a category all of its own. I feel like there is definitely a scarcity of good bread. :-o
Grenade Teeth
Minor League Mentor
Minor League Mentor

User avatar
Mock(ing) DrafterPick 3 Weekly Winner
Posts: 375
Joined: 3 Dec 2002
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: Demolished

Postby rotodog » Fri Nov 07, 2003 4:31 pm

Grenade Teeth wrote:
Madison wrote:
Grenade Teeth wrote:I have stale moldy bread ideas. :-/ What can we learn from them? :-?


Scrape off the mold, eat one of them, and tell us how you feel. :-D


The position of the mold puts the bread in a category all of its own. I feel like there is definitely a scarcity of good bread. :-o
Now that was funny! :-D
rotodog
Minor League Mentor
Minor League Mentor

User avatar
Cafe RankerMock(ing) Drafter
Posts: 502
Joined: 28 Oct 2003
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: In a Mental State

PreviousNext

Return to Baseball Leftovers

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 9 guests

Forums Articles & Tips Sleepers Rankings Leagues


Today's Games
Tuesday, Jul. 29
(All times are EST, weather icons show forecast for game time)

LA Angels at Baltimore
(7:05 pm)
Seattle at Cleveland
(7:05 pm)
Chi White Sox at Detroit
(7:08 pm)
Milwaukee at Tampa Bay
(7:10 pm)
indoors
Philadelphia at NY Mets
(7:10 pm)
Washington at Miami
(7:10 pm)
indoors
Arizona at Cincinnati
(7:10 pm)
Toronto at Boston
(7:10 pm)
Colorado at Chi Cubs
(8:05 pm)
NY Yankees at Texas
(8:05 pm)
Oakland at Houston
(8:10 pm)
Minnesota at Kansas City
(8:10 pm)
Atlanta at LA Dodgers
(10:10 pm)
St. Louis at San Diego
(10:10 pm)
Pittsburgh at San Francisco
(10:15 pm)

  • Fantasy Baseball
  • Article Submissions
  • Privacy Statement
  • Site Survey 
  • Contact