Greatest Left Handed Pitcher Ever?

[LBJackal]

Oh yeah. Santana, Perez, and then Lefty Grove. That's better.

[Tavish]

Grove blows everybodt else out of the water.

How so? He has a very slight edge over RJ in a few categories, and RJ has an edge over Grove in a few categories. Grove's longevity is certainly a reason to rank him higher, but he doesn't blow RJ out of the water. The difference between the two players ERA+ is 1 run every 110 innings.

[LBJackal]

Grove blows everybodt else out of the water.

How so? He has a very slight edge over RJ in a few categories, and RJ has an edge over Grove in a few categories. Grove's longevity is certainly a reason to rank him higher, but he doesn't blow RJ out of the water. The difference between the two players ERA+ is 1 run every 110 innings.

Yeah, it's a small difference. I said he blows everybody but RJ out of the water. I said it's close with RJ, and within a few years he could surpass Grove. The 700 or so IP that Grove has on RJ is a very big difference. Also, I don't consider K's at all, so if that's a cat that you think gives RJ an advantage... then we disagree on that.

So other than RJ or Grove, it isn't really a debate with any of the other guys in the poll. It's quite clear those 2 are #1 and #2, and Grove having about 3 seasons worth of innings more than RJ makes me give the edge to Grove.

[roadrunner]

johnson got robbed this year and last year. last season he missed 50% of his starts and this season he should have won around 23 games. at 41 he is still overpowering and quite possibly the closer he gets to 300 wins he may consider trying to get there. you know he will get totally railroaded on another cy young this year, he was 10 k's shy from yet another 300 k season
4137 + strike outs, how can you not count strike outs every one counts them 5714, 324 w.

[crapshooter]

Koufax gets my vote. I saw him pitch in person so maybe I'm a little biased. I'd think arguments could be made for Spann also.

[Dr. Duran Duran]

Someone just had to vote for Estes...I almost died when I saw his name among those greats of the game. I was tossed between Lefty and RJ, but voted the latter since I never got a chance to see Lefty dominate the game.

[Kingctb27]

Then again, if I could pick one LHP to build a team around, the choice would be ...


Ruth!

Heh, too bad he's not on the list. I went with the Unit

[nuggets]

My vote goes to Unit. More Dominant, Faster and Bigger. The most intimidating lefty ever.

edit- I hadn't looked at Grove at the time I posted this.

[reznorsboy]

Gotta go with the Unit. Look at the guys carrer k/9 it's like 11/9inn. That is crazy. To average over a strikout per inning is just crazy. So on average he strike out the side in at least 3 innings a game. I don't think anyone has dominated in any era the way he has dominated the last 15 years.

[acsguitar]

Gotta go with RJ...he could be incredibly fantastically amazing if he ever got run support