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Who is the greatest Left Handed Pitcher ever?

Lefty Grove
14
21%
Sandy Koufax
24
35%
Steve Carlton
2
3%
Warren Spahn
13
19%
Carl Hubbell
1
1%
Randy Johnson
12
18%
Shawn Estes
2
3%
 
Total votes : 68

Postby LBJackal » Fri Sep 10, 2004 12:23 pm

Oh yeah. Santana, Perez, and then Lefty Grove. That's better.
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Postby Tavish » Fri Sep 10, 2004 12:51 pm

LBJackal wrote:Grove blows everybodt else out of the water.


How so? He has a very slight edge over RJ in a few categories, and RJ has an edge over Grove in a few categories. Grove's longevity is certainly a reason to rank him higher, but he doesn't blow RJ out of the water. The difference between the two players ERA+ is 1 run every 110 innings.
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Postby LBJackal » Fri Sep 10, 2004 4:47 pm

Tavish wrote:
LBJackal wrote:Grove blows everybodt else out of the water.


How so? He has a very slight edge over RJ in a few categories, and RJ has an edge over Grove in a few categories. Grove's longevity is certainly a reason to rank him higher, but he doesn't blow RJ out of the water. The difference between the two players ERA+ is 1 run every 110 innings.


Yeah, it's a small difference. I said he blows everybody but RJ out of the water. I said it's close with RJ, and within a few years he could surpass Grove. The 700 or so IP that Grove has on RJ is a very big difference. Also, I don't consider K's at all, so if that's a cat that you think gives RJ an advantage... then we disagree on that.

So other than RJ or Grove, it isn't really a debate with any of the other guys in the poll. It's quite clear those 2 are #1 and #2, and Grove having about 3 seasons worth of innings more than RJ makes me give the edge to Grove.
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Postby roadrunner » Fri Oct 15, 2004 12:52 am

johnson got robbed this year and last year. last season he missed 50% of his starts and this season he should have won around 23 games. at 41 he is still overpowering and quite possibly the closer he gets to 300 wins he may consider trying to get there. you know he will get totally railroaded on another cy young this year, he was 10 k's shy from yet another 300 k season
4137 + strike outs, how can you not count strike outs every one counts them 5714, 324 w.
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Postby crapshooter » Wed Feb 02, 2005 10:29 pm

Koufax gets my vote. I saw him pitch in person so maybe I'm a little biased. I'd think arguments could be made for Spann also.
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Postby Dr. Duran Duran » Thu Feb 03, 2005 3:10 am

Someone just had to vote for Estes...I almost died when I saw his name among those greats of the game. I was tossed between Lefty and RJ, but voted the latter since I never got a chance to see Lefty dominate the game.
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Postby reznorsboy » Wed Jun 08, 2005 12:59 pm

Gotta go with the Unit. Look at the guys carrer k/9 it's like 11/9inn. That is crazy. To average over a strikout per inning is just crazy. So on average he strike out the side in at least 3 innings a game. I don't think anyone has dominated in any era the way he has dominated the last 15 years.
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Postby acsguitar » Mon Jun 13, 2005 12:35 pm

Gotta go with RJ...he could be incredibly fantastically amazing if he ever got run support
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