LBJackal wrote:Grove blows everybodt else out of the water.
How so? He has a very slight edge over RJ in a few categories, and RJ has an edge over Grove in a few categories. Grove's longevity is certainly a reason to rank him higher, but he doesn't blow RJ out of the water. The difference between the two players ERA+ is 1 run every 110 innings.
Yeah, it's a small difference. I said he blows everybody but
RJ out of the water. I said it's close with RJ, and within a few years he could surpass Grove. The 700 or so IP that Grove has on RJ is a very big difference. Also, I don't consider K's at all, so if that's a cat that you think gives RJ an advantage... then we disagree on that.
So other than RJ or Grove, it isn't really a debate with any of the other guys in the poll. It's quite clear those 2 are #1 and #2, and Grove having about 3 seasons worth of innings more than RJ makes me give the edge to Grove.
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