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Postby Mike_nyc » Fri Feb 09, 2007 4:11 pm

I understand what your saying from a holistic pov...but i cant see how the 5th best pitcher and 5th best hitter end up with the same output for the year....who's taking oswalt over even the tenth best hitter, or 15th?

One mock draft i saw there were 5 pitchers taken in the first 50 picks...where is the justification...according to your system of equality that 6th best pitcher who hasnt been taken gets taken with the 51st pick and has better output then the 18th hitter taken with say the 30th pick. why are people waiting that long then?

In a category leagues theres equality in the number of categories but in terms of production the hitters are more valuable..thats wahts refelcted in a points league
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Postby StlSluggers » Fri Feb 09, 2007 5:12 pm

Mike_nyc wrote:but in terms of production the hitters are more valuable

How do you figure?
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Postby J35J » Fri Feb 09, 2007 5:17 pm

I'll take an ace over a top end hitter any day (in real life)





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Postby Mike_nyc » Fri Feb 09, 2007 7:48 pm

J35J wrote:I'll take an ace over a top end hitter any day (in real life)





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If you would have chimed in with how to unclog a toilet..it might have been more relevant than what you padded your post with there
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Postby Mike_nyc » Fri Feb 09, 2007 7:52 pm

StlSluggers wrote:
Mike_nyc wrote:but in terms of production the hitters are more valuable

How do you figure?


their are countless examples but for starters - tell me why santana is the only pitcher who you can justify taking in the first round

if the pitcher production is equal to that of the hitters why is their such an imbalance at the beginning of a draft?

I'm not purposefully skewing anything, my current system values the hitters more than it should, but yours devalues them...to say their end of season production should equal that of the pitchers goes against every ranking system out there. Based on top rankings, mock drafts, the upper echelon pitchers (top 10-12 say) are amongst the top 50 or 60 players drafted. thats a 1 to 5 1 to 6 ratio...your format values it at 1 to 1
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Postby JTWood » Fri Feb 09, 2007 8:25 pm

Mike_nyc wrote:
StlSluggers wrote:
Mike_nyc wrote:but in terms of production the hitters are more valuable

How do you figure?


their are countless examples but for starters - tell me why santana is the only pitcher who you can justify taking in the first round

if the pitcher production is equal to that of the hitters why is their such an imbalance at the beginning of a draft?

Predictability. Hitters are less injury-prone and have a larger sample size of ABs against which to predict their production.

Hitters aren't necessarily more valuable. They are more reliable.
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Postby RJ24VC15 » Fri Feb 09, 2007 9:54 pm

Pitching is undervalued. If your taking away 2 points for an ER, a win should be at least 10.
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Postby Mike_nyc » Fri Feb 09, 2007 10:26 pm

RJ24VC15 wrote:Pitching is undervalued. If your taking away 2 points for an ER, a win should be at least 10.


Absolutely agree, i'm gonna factor this in...though from a personal standpoint i hate wins, feel like theres a degree of good fortune involved..I could up them in conjunction with qs...id have to up the saves then to to even out the closers though...do you agree?
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Postby davidmarver » Fri Feb 09, 2007 11:51 pm

You need to either increase the amount of hitting categories you have or decrease the number of pitching categories you have, all while trying to bring pitchers' values closer to those of hitters. I recommend some negative hitting categories, such as GIDP or you could even implement errors. If you could find a points engine that would include LOB you could consider that as well, though it'd probably be a very negatively weighted result.
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Postby TheRock » Fri Feb 09, 2007 11:58 pm

Are you penalizing strikeouts (for hitters)? That's one thing I would add.
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