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by **BritSox** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 1:54 pm

K/BB and HR/9. The only tools you'll ever need in evaluating pitchers.

by **Yoda** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 1:57 pm

I don't really use K/BB since I evaluate pitchers on K9, BB9. Anything over 2 K/BB is groovy.

by **PlayingWithFire** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 1:58 pm

BritSox wrote:K/BB and HR/9. The only tools you'll ever need in evaluating pitchers.

Ground ball rate, injury history, STUFF???

by **polkaman** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 3:41 pm

It means nothing in fantasy baseball unless it is a statistic used for scoring in a league. Keep it simple

by **BritSox** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 3:54 pm

PlayingWithFire wrote:
BritSox wrote:K/BB and HR/9. The only tools you'll ever need in evaluating pitchers.

Ground ball rate, injury history, STUFF???

Ground ball rate doesn't matter much at all(in so far as it does, everything else being equal a low GB% is a good thing)

Stuff doesn't matter at all (if a guy has a track record of producing results, who cares how he looks doing it?)

As for injury history, find me a metric for that, I'm all ears.

by **Yoda** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 4:02 pm

BritSox wrote:As for injury history, find me a metric for that, I'm all ears.

Age/workload usually does wonders for me. Also the pitcher's bread and butter pitches. Sliders = very bad. Splitters = equally bad.

by **PlayingWithFire** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 4:33 pm

BritSox wrote:
PlayingWithFire wrote:
BritSox wrote:K/BB and HR/9. The only tools you'll ever need in evaluating pitchers.

Ground ball rate, injury history, STUFF???

Ground ball rate doesn't matter much at all(in so far as it does, everything else being equal a low GB% is a good thing)

Stuff doesn't matter at all (if a guy has a track record of producing results, who cares how he looks doing it?)

As for injury history, find me a metric for that, I'm all ears.

Stuff absolutely does matter when evaluating pitchers.

Case in point, Kirk Saarloos, below average stuff but knows how to pitch.

Career minor league k/bb is just below 4 with k/9 over 8 and bb/9 just over 2.

Look how his k/bb and k/9 has been in the majors.

by **Grouperman941** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 9:09 pm

polkaman wrote:It means nothing in fantasy baseball unless it is a statistic used for scoring in a league. Keep it simple

That is no fun in February. ;-)

by **reynolds80** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 11:39 pm

BritSox wrote:
Ground ball rate doesn't matter much at all(in so far as it does, everything else being equal a low GB% is a good thing)

Simply not true. Flyball pitchers are prone to gopheritis, it has been proven time and again. It is optimal for a pitcher to induce groundballs, except in the rare case of having a horrendous infield defense and huge outfield dimensions.

by **glcmustliveon** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 3:04 am

reynolds80 wrote:
BritSox wrote:
Ground ball rate doesn't matter much at all(in so far as it does, everything else being equal a low GB% is a good thing)

Simply not true. Flyball pitchers are prone to gopheritis, it has been proven time and again. It is optimal for a pitcher to induce groundballs, except in the rare case of having a horrendous infield defense and huge outfield dimensions.

See Jake Peavy: 2006 ;-)

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